Abortion is a medical procedure resulting in the termination of a human pregnancy and death of a fetus. Abortion was banned in 30 states until the 1973 Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade. The ruling made abortion legal in all 50 states but gave them regulatory powers over when abortions could be performed during a pregnancy. On June 24, 2022, the Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade in the case Dobbs v. Jackson. The court ruled that the substantive right to abortion was not “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history or tradition”, nor considered a right when the Due Process Clause was ratified in 1868.
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@ISIDEWITH13yrs13Y
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It isn't a woman's sole choice to make as the child in her womb is a separate life, a separate person, with distinct DNA and everything. In no circumstance would we approve of killing children outside the womb, inside the womb is no different.
@9G9MS7B2yrs2Y
I agree. Biology tells us that life starts at the moment of conception so when the sperm fertilized the egg, a new human being is formed and should be protected. Exceptions to abortion are miscarriages, rape, incest, and If it endangers the life of a mother. If none of those apply there are millions of couples in the USA on waitlists to adopt a child because they’re infertile.
@ClamNora2yrs2Y
This is because up to 50% of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, often before the woman knows she's pregnant. Is this considered a life lost?
Also, while adoption is indeed a noble path, it's important to consider the reality of the system. There are currently over 400,000 children in foster care in the USA, with a third eligible for adoption. Yet, most prospective parents prefer to adopt babies, leaving older children and teenagers in the system. This suggests that the adoption system has its challenges and isn't a simple solution to unwanted pregnancies.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these points. Do you think defining the exact moment life begins is straightforward? And how can we improve the adoption system to better accommodate these children?
@9JJFZFC 10mos10MO
a spontaneous abortion is another way of saying miscarriage… which is entirely different than purposefully taking the life of another human. Most miscarriages are wanted pregnancies and no one goes out of their way to induce them (hence why they are considered spontaneous) but yes this is a life lost 😔. (I mean woman who’ve had miscarriages sure believe so…) Just because someone doesn’t know they are pregnant or want to be pregnant doesn’t automatically deem that life illegitimate.
Rather than sacrifice a life (that isn’t your right to sacrifice) because a system is shot, let’s focus all this attention, as woman, on restoring this system to benefit, not only aborted potentials, but the many other children displaced for various reasons.
@9XM82WF7mos7MO
What about the 5-13 year olds or older who get raped? Are they just forced to carry a baby that they didn't want and possibly get scared for life? Giving birth is a scary thing and it should not be considered lightly. It is dangerous, not only for the mother, but for the baby too. What if the baby miscarries? Do we just let the mother die? What if it gets fertilized in your fallopian tube? You will die, your baby will die. There is no maybe or what if, you both will die, you might as well save yourself and try again. People who get abortions often want them for medical reasons and are so distraught that it can be hard to try again, or try at anything ever again. So no, abortion is not some evil thing that is black or white, it is a very grey thing that still needs debated.
@9TC4KHH8mos8MO
Too late! They are so messed up that there’s no fixing them is very difficult and nobody wants to deal with this. This happens because their birth families will not let go and that is what is sad. Do not blame this on the people that want to do good, it’s not their fault the fact that their moms, single moms get paid for them, which helps support their lifestyle or pay for the children. They already have other baby daddy‘s.. They don’t give a **** about their kids. They just give a **** about what the kids can get them. My birth mom had two children already. She… Read more
@9SXH6DP9mos9MO
We have to get the kids out of foster homes and adopted much earlier. States have gotten kickbacks for numbers of kids in foster. Bionparents should get no more than 1 year to straighten up. After that rights get termed and adoption can take place. We basically have kids that are lifers in the foster system due to being slow to term parental rights.
Life does not start at the moment of conception. Stop using the bible as your evidence. The bible is a religious book not a scientific testbook.
@9X3C4VF7mos7MO
Yes, religion should be separate from government. Religious books should absolutely not be used as evidence. I respect all religions and religious books by the way.
@9TC4KHH8mos8MO
Really I’ll see you in hell! Are you kidding me? Are you that big of a fool?
@9X44PM2Republican7mos7MO
Of course it's not life at conception to those who look at babies in the womb as property and inconvenient rather than humans.
@9X44PM2Republican7mos7MO
There are plenty of people with this belief that aren't coming from a religious standpoint. It's called science which you can't refute
@9H4DL4B1yr1Y
I mostly agree with this position. However, I would like to say that incest shouldn't be an exception; most of the time, the incest exception is there as a result of concerns about genetic defects in the child. Disability shouldn't take away your right to life.
Moreso, I've seen some testimonies from medical professionals that abortion is almost never required to save the mother's life. I don't know this for sure, though, so I would look into that yourself for more detail. Just a thought I've had.
@9SXH6DP9mos9MO
Tubal pregnancy is pretty common actually.
@B52X97V3wks3W
Yes, abortion is almost never required. But about the incest thing, we all have inalienable, God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This does not depend upon one's parents or one's genetic defects. Also, killing the genetically inferior was the entire premise of Nazi eugenics.
Abortion is murder. Honor life.
@9TC4KHH8mos8MO
I agree with everything you say, but the sad thing is if somebody is in relationship with their father brother anything like that the family will not let anything change. We are not protecting these children. These people will never have abortions because they are not allowed to.
@Bi11R1ghtsPigletGreen2yrs2Y
While it's true that a unique set of DNA is formed at conception, it's important to note that biological life and personhood are not synonymous. There are different philosophical, religious, and cultural beliefs about when personhood begins.
As for adoption, it's indeed a beautiful thing, but it's not a simple alternative to pregnancy. Pregnancy and childbirth have profound physical and psychological impacts on a woman's body, and no one should be forced to go through them unwillingly.
@9JJFZFC 10mos10MO
but “personhood” is developed, developed overtime. It can even change. A baby doesn’t have the same rationality as an adult, does that make the baby less of a person. It does us no good when we try to prescribe personhood to individuals because once it becomes subjective, and we have seen that mistake all throughout history, we start to discriminate against race, gender, babies, heck even the disabled. Ironically Margaret Sanger (a known eugenist, racist and founder of planned parenthood) believed the very thing you said. See how that mindset (of prescribing “personhoo… Read more
@9FCBW4C2yrs2Y
Abortion does not equal killing children. When a women decides to treat her own body and get an abortion, she is preventing the embryo from forming into a child, meaning that there is no baby yet and it is not murdering anyone. A women should be allowed to make her own choices and if she feels that the baby would not have a good life at that point in time then she may choose to rightfully terminate her pregnancy.
@9JJFZFC 10mos10MO
What? an embryo is literally a baby in the early stages of development. It only takes a simple google search to figure that out. But forget about the baby being in the mother, you literally just rationalized dissent and human sacrifice simply because someone deemed that life not fit (“the baby would not have a good life”? what’s a good life? who has a good life? and how do you determine if that life is good enough to live?). See how that makes no sense? It’s not a “woman’s choice” to kill another life. Period.
@AffectedBoars2yrs2Y
Indeed, the topic of when life begins is a central point in this debate. While some argue that life begins at conception, owing to the distinct DNA and potential for development, others assert that life starts at a later stage when the fetus can survive outside the womb.
Consider this, if we discovered a single-celled organism on Mars, wouldn't we proclaim we've found life? Yet, when it comes to a zygote, a multi-cellular organism in the womb with unique human DNA, why do we deny its life status?
Furthermore, the argument that women should have a choice is definitely valid. However,… Read more
@9SXH6DP9mos9MO
And, not only that, if we are saying there isn’t a good reason for continuing life if it isn’t going to be a good life, does that mean you want to term the elderly, the poor, the disabled too? Who is deciding what a good life is? This argument seems crazy to me. Every life has its place in the scheme of things. Who are we, mere humans, to decide these things?
@Patriot-#1776Constitution10mos10MO
You're reasoning in a circle. Your argument for the morality of abortion assumes the morality of abortion – otherwise it's completely incoherent. Rather than defend the ideas that
(1) Abortion has to do with a woman's body, not the aborted baby's body, and
(2) An "embryo" is not a child
You assume the anti-life position in order to argue for it. This entire argument is irrational.
I have question for you. You said you oppose abortions even for rape and incest, but you also appose letting gay couples adopt children even if no straight couple adopts the child. First of all, no one is going to want to adopt a child of incest, so by not allowing an abortion you are forcing them to suffer by living in a foster home on top of the already severe issues from incest. That is arguably more inhumane than abortion, I don't equate abortion to murder, I equate it more as an extreme form of birth control. By not allowing abortion for these messed up children, the foster homes… Read more
@9P2VH7S11mos11MO
Do your research. It depends on how far along the woman is. Sometimes they kill it after it's developed. It's not always just an embryo.
@9FT2ZWJ2yrs2Y
Yes I agree. But abortions should still be available to the public because sometimes there will be certain situations like rape, incest and child pregnancies. Abortions shouldn’t be glorified though as I see it as something that no one should be proud of. But yes abortions should be allowed.
A major party of the woman's life, she will have the child under her responsibility. if she thinks that she is not able to give to this baby a great life, its better for her to abort.
@L3ftyCodyRepublican2yrs2Y
I understand where you're coming from, but consider this: adoption. There are many loving families who are unable to have children of their own and are waiting for the opportunity to adopt. If a woman feels she cannot provide a good life for her child, adoption offers another option. What are your thoughts on this as an alternative to abortion?
@9X3C4VF 7mos7MO
You have to think about what the birthing person has to go through. They have to deal with an extreme amount of pain, spend a lot of money, spend a lot of time, their body changes, and more! It's not that easy. Also right now, adoption is not the best in America. A lot of people actually don't get adopted and some even commit suicide.
@LehiMello 11mos11MO
This sounds like a great way of both sides winning, the child will live, and the mother won't be the one taking care of them
@9XWGK9W7mos7MO
“adoption. There are many loving families who are unable to have children of their own and are waiting for the opportunity to adopt. If a woman feels she cannot provide a good life for her child, adoption offers another option.”
Oh, adoptions why don't we talk about that, A large percentage of girls who are in foster care are sexually assaulted or harassed, either by other women in foster care or men, being put in a strange adult's home and potentially being abused. There are loving people who want to adopt children and there are sick demented people out there who beat and will touch on kids that are not their own, especially a vulnerable child with no parents, the majority of girls who get pregnant by 16, its likely by an older man, and where does that bring us back to? Abortions, rape, incest, and guess what. Child pregnancies.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution10mos10MO
Then what about all the homeless drug addicts in Portland, Seattle, LA, New York, and Atlanta? They don't have "great lives" so is it fine to murder them? If you had any logical consistency on this issue, you'd have to argue for that.
@9HGMXYXIndependent1yr1Y
Yeah i agree because if the father finna dip why we gotta take care of the baby WE DIDNT WANT...not only that but if the child is going to have a trumatic life why bring a baby into this world.
@9G2MC2PRepublican 2yrs2Y
Everyone has the right to live, even an unborn baby. Just because of whatever decisions the father or mother made does not justify the death of the child.
@9G2W76P 2yrs2Y
Yes! I agree, punish the rapist not the baby. Parents dont have a right to dictate the life of another individual. Even if they are in their womb.
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
I know people who would've been killed by their abusive spouses if they still had any remaining link to them, I know that they had no other viable option other than abortion to prevent from being abused, and that they would only ever be away from that spouse if they didn't have the kid. There are THOUSANDS of reasons people have them, and that is their right to choose. We do not force people to donate organs because it'll save a life, same way as we don't force people to give birth.
You would then punish a child for the mistakes of other people – punish with DEATH, DEATH! In what world is that right? The child did nothing wrong, the child's not even old enough to think of sinning! Two wrongs don't make a right. once you're a mother you're a mother forever.
@GloopdevIndependent11mos11MO
You know people who MAY have been killed by their abusive spouses. The risk of danger does not give you the right to dismember an innocent party. Also, if there is such a serious issue regarding the safety of the mother, the problem is not the baby. Sacificing innocent lives because of a poor abuse support system is not acceptable in any way, and there are many other ways to deal with such a situation. There may be thousands of reasons to have an abortion, but they are actually just thousands of bad reasons. These reasons always boil down to "I don't see this life as worthy of existing therefore I will kill it".
@9HGMXYXIndependent1yr1Y
“not the baby”
you've got to be joking. That poor mother..
@9G53LFT2yrs2Y
I'm conflicted. I agree but at the same time things can happen: rape, sexual abuse/assault, incest, not being able to even afford the child. These things happen and while in some cases abortion shouldn't be legal, in other cases it should not be. In some cases, why put yourself and the child through the pain and struggles then you both go through it? In others you're being selfish and irresponsible, you're taking the life of your child because of your mistakes. I honestly think abortion should be legal.
In cases of rape, sexual abuse/assault, incest, and unaffordability the child is just as human as he/she would otherwise have been. D-mn the circumstances, it's a human being, do not murder it.
@9KTPRPNLibertarian1yr1Y
Children that are products of incest do not have a good quality of life. They have increased genetic disorders, fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth weight, and higher infant mortality and child mortality rates. Not to mention, 95-97% of children that were conceived because of incest report to being sexually abused as small children. I will and would always abort a child if I was raped by my father or brother. You have absolutely no say in what I do with my body, as a man.
@Lancia-Delta-S4 1mo1MO
“not being able to even afford the child.”
This is nowhere near as awful as r_pe, incest, and assault. You people act like adoption is impossible and difficult.
@9G3L78W2yrs2Y
Yes, I believe that every baby should have the right to live a life. if the mother or father is not ready for that then they can put the child up for adoption and have another capable family take care of it.
@9X3C4VF 7mos7MO
In most abortion cases the man and women did not plan to have a baby.
@9S4FNB6Republican9mos9MO
I agree with you 100% I've always brought that opinion up. Another thing i always said is be more responsible if you don't want to have a baby, theres protection, birth control or have your tubes tied until your ready.
@9G66DB82yrs2Y
I disagree, because most women who would wan't an abortion have probably wen't through something traumatic like rape or etc.
@9GMWPQD 2yrs2Y
people should be able to do whatever they want with their body not have it decided by anyone else that is their own choice. Some people also get into situations that are not their fault like rape and they shouldn't be forced to keep that baby if they dont want to that wasn't their fault and wouldn't have the proper mental health in that moment either to raise a child, people should just respect peoples choices cause at the end of the day the person getting the abortion knows whats best for them and that child.
@9GMXXKG 2yrs2Y
So you can't smoke a cigarette in a hospital for the same reason you can't punch people. Your right to swing your fist ends at someone's face. Rape and incest make up less than 1% of abortion so to use such a small portion to justify that 99% is illogical. Science also teaches us that things are alive, dead, or will never be alive. If the baby isn't alive, it's dead or it's nonliving. It's the same species as us just at a different stage, and a newborn isn't able to sustain its own life and neither is a two year old or a ninety nine year old. I agree… Read more
@9GP35TZRepublican2yrs2Y
No abortion is not best for the child. In no logical way is killing the child best for them. There are many other options if you are not in a place to raise the child.
@9GPBZZ22yrs2Y
It is the responsiility of both parents if they didnt want a baby there are plenty of things to avaoid that besides abortion. If rape occurs it doesnt hurt to just put the aby up for adoption. there is no need for abortion ever
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
Your argument doesn't do anything to counter theirs. Unless you are going to claim that people do not have the right to make decisions over their own bodies, then your sense of "responsibility" is irrelevant. Whether you think they should or should not get an abortion doesn't matter, because you don't have a say in what they can decide happens to their body.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution10mos10MO
For the trillionth time, it's not about the woman's body, is about the baby's body (the baby, you know, that you think should be torn LIMB FROM LIMB)
@9GMZZXZ2yrs2Y
people who are impregnated by rape should be offered free delivery fees to keep people from aborting babies. The baby is still a human regardless if it is 2 weeks old or 6 months old.
@9F4RHRPRepublican 2yrs2Y
From my perspective, the core argument is about the inherent value of life. Pro-choice often focuses on a woman's autonomy, but excludes the unborn child's right to life. This child, though not yet fully developed, has the potential to become a fully functioning human being. It's not about current capabilities, but potential ones. Shouldn't we, as a society, prioritize preserving the potential for life over personal convenience or circumstance? It's a delicate balance, but for me, upholding the sanctity of life is paramount.
@9H57ZGBRepublican1yr1Y
To say 'potential for life' is to deny this child's already months-old life. We do not (or should not) as a country hold that some lives are more important than others-- especially if we espouse any form of egalitarianism. All life in all stages ought to be protected. A pro-life sentiment does not go far enough to say the unborn need protection -- we must do more to assist the struggling single mother and to address the conditions that lead to cycles of poverty and despair in our country.
@9JJCG8C 1yr1Y
Its funny you say that because your stance on the issue is putting an unborn baby's life over a 13 year old who is pregnant from being raped by her uncle. Everyone cares about the unborn babies lives but when the baby is born its no longer your problem. The ban on abortions is about nothing other than control.
@GloopdevIndependent11mos11MO
“putting an unborn baby's life over a 13 year old who is pregnant from being raped by her uncle”
It is reasonable to hold the importance of life in higher regard than a 13 year old girl's trauma. Emotions don't justify a killing. The ban on abortions IS about control, and that control is good and righteous because it is there to protect the unprotected.
The way to address these conditions is to get the government to leave people the heck alone.
@9GYXRV3Independent2yrs2Y
I agree, and I would also like to add that we should invest in programs and policies to help parents in difficult situations so that they don't view abortion as the most "convenient" option
We should just ban it
@9HHK57Q 1yr1Y
“ban it”
how would just baning it help the parent figure out what they want to do if the dad fina dip let him dip just let the mother do what she gona do if she dont want no baby let her have an abortion.
@9GY74R32yrs2Y
I completely agree. Life should be of the utmost importance. Our Constitution declares life as one of our God-given rights. There are plenty of opportunities for adoption in the U.S., so if having a child is too much for a person to handle, adoption centers will take care of the child.
@9GYJVFF2yrs2Y
I believe that you should be able to get abortion but only in rape, incest, or risk to mother or child
@GloopdevIndependent11mos11MO
Why incest? I have never heard a single good argument for that. Rape is at least somewhat understandable, though the logic is still downright idiotic. Why does incest specifically mean that we have the right to kill the baby?
@ISIDEWITH13yrs13Y
Pro-life
@9GWDZ64 2yrs2Y
There are better options that should be prioritized over abortion. For those undergoing an 'unwanted pregnancy', they should be allowed to give birth as a 'surrogate' with the understanding that a want-to-be mother who cannot survive pregnancy and/or childbirth would be best served through adoption.
@9GWMWKX2yrs2Y
If you do not support abortion, do not get one. The living person should be prioritized over the potential life. A mother or birthing person has a life that they have the right to continue. It may be selfish but they have the right to decide how their life is altered and that is THEIR business.
@ScottK12327mos7MO
What is a "birthing person"?
@@1876-Elbert6mos6MO
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To us, they are known as a 'mother.' However, certain nutjobs believe that men can give birth, and so coined the term "birthing person."
If it's the mother's life or the unborn child's, then yes the mother's life is more important. But unlike back then, today many births don't result in the mother's death thanks to better hygiene. So even if she doesn't want a child, she can still safely give birth then give the child up for adoption, and try again later when she is ready to raise a child. It's not' "which life is worth more?", it's "is the mother's choice or the baby's life worth more?".
@9GWL26P2yrs2Y
Abortion is a human right and bodily autonomy. There are many factors that lead to an unwanted pregnancy, and many of those are restrictions put on the people who are able to get pregnant. Often consultations to get one’s tubes tied are turned down for lack of discussion with a partner or requirement for children. Birth control, condoms, and other contraceptive products are not full proof. Biologically humans are a species that have sex for pleasure, not just procreation. Until there are full proof ways to prevent pregnancy by the choice of a single person, the person who is able to get… Read more
“You should never require that someone gives birth. That is a human rights violation.”
"A human rights violation"? For the love of High Heaven, MURDER is more of a human rights violation!
@9Z9TVW76mos6MO
What did women do before abortions
@9GX8LM42yrs2Y
Pregnancy is not only a huge emotional tole but also a huge hormonal tole. It is not easy to be a surrogate, to make someone who already does not want to be pregnant stay pregnant then deal with the hormonal aspect from it would just be cruel. If abortion is wanted or needed, then that is not only the woman's choice but also her right.
@9J2FMT7 1yr1Y
Having an abortion also has an affect on your hormones, not just your pregnancy. Having an abortion would not fix the problem. In fact, it does not fix any problems. It is also not your right to end someone's life because they make your life less convenient.
Where'd that right come from? Who could have given it to her but a Creator? And wouldn't then the Creator have valued all human beings equal? Before you talk about "human rights" I need an explanation of from whom or from whence those rights are derived.
@9J2FMT71yr1Y
I agree, and thank you for making this point!
@9GXB5M3 2yrs2Y
Pregnancy can be dangerous for a woman’s health, a woman shouldn’t risk her life for a child she knows she won’t care for or want, therefore abortion is necessary.
Back then giving birth had a pretty high chance of killing the mother, but today giving birth is much safer. If it is found that giving birth might kill the mother, then an abortion should be allowed.
@9M785QQ 1yr1Y
i disagree with that because what did the baby do to deserve death.
what if i was your mother and i gave up on you how would you feel dying at a young age for no reason
also women shouldn't give up their baby because of their health they should at least put it up for adoption so the baby can have a family that actually wants it
@9GH3KPS 2yrs2Y
I think life begins at conception, so any killing of a baby, no matter the circumstances or development is urder
@9GK6YFK2yrs2Y
We don't know what individuals are going through financially or mentally, thus I believe that everyone should be free to make their own decisions without interference from others. And by the way, some people are not financially able to support themselves and a child. Some people may drive themselves nuts because they lack the mental fortitude to raise a
There's a line of people ten-million long looking to adopt children who will be spared from abortion. It's stupid to murder someone because you can't afford to take care of him. That's not compassionate or even distantly human.
@9GHBSKSWomen’s Equality2yrs2Y
I think abortiion should be allowed. For example, if a family isn't financially stable and the mother happens to get pregnant even after using protection, she should be allowed to abort and prevent her family from going really unfinancially stable. Also, if a women was to get sexually abused and ends up concieviing a baby without consent, she should be allowed to abort the fetus to prevent from furthermore trauma from the saxual abuse.
@9GH3KPS 2yrs2Y
No, it’s a human being. You shouldn’t murder an innocent person. End of story
If the baby comes from consensual circumstances or not is absolutely beside the point. It's a baby. It's a human. It reveals the utter blackness and depravity of human nature that this is even a debatable proposition. God save us all.
Maybe for rape you can make an argument for why abortions should still not be allowed, but incest is on a totally different level. Not only is incest violation of human rights, it's totally sick and messed up. Babies born from incest have severe issues, and sometimes die before their first year. Not only do I want to allow abortions for incest, I encourage abortions for incest. While, I am pro-life, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
For sexual abuse, yes abortions should be allowed. As for the first case, why're they having sex if they don't want a child? That's disgusting and pointless. And she could always give it up for adoption, no one is forcing her to take care of the baby.
Many children and women in deep and horrible situations should be given the opportunity to do what they prefer with their own bodies just like all men are.
@9GHVMTL2yrs2Y
Abortion is not murder depending on the stage of the pregnancy the mother is in. Either way, the choice is made by the person who is giving birth, they should have the choice of what to do with their body. If there are any health complications with the mother, especially, she should be able to abort the child, her life comes first because she already has one, the fetus does not. We also have to think about how there can be complications with the fetus, if it has health complications and abortion is illegal, it puts both the mother and the fetus in danger. It can be more harmful than helpful since if the child is born the mother could die from the birth, or the child can have a difficult life and potentially die anyways, now making it two lives that are lost rather than loosing a POTENTIAL life.
@9H8R5ZQ 1yr1Y
I am against abortion because a fetus is still a human being. They are a living thing. There are some exceptions; there could be a time when a young girl is abused sexually and ends up pregnant. She shouldn't have to deliver the baby at such a young age.
@9H9J3SG1yr1Y
Whether you agree with abortion or not is irrelevant due to the fact that you weren't apart of it being conceived nor are you carrying it. Not everybody has the financial ability to take care of a child, and foster care and adoption rises the problem of the child being mistreated or brought up with life effecting trauma.
@9H8XBNNProgressive1yr1Y
Every women should have the choice to decided what to do with their body and should be treated with respect.
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