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Should the U.S. continue to support Israel?

Yes, but respect Israel’s sovereignty and do not dictate how it should interact with its neighbors

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 @9GG6L26Democrat from Indiana  disagreed…2yrs2Y

Israel should not retaliate but rather split the land with Gaza and then both countries can be at peace.

 @9RYWTRQfrom Guam  commented…10mos10MO

The land should go back to Palestine. It was theirs first and was stolen in the 40's. Why split the land when it was stolen from the Palestinian people, and then bombed into a powder. Why do they have to give up their homes when their homes were stolen?

 @9SFWSH9Democrat from Iowa  disagreed…9mos9MO

When you go to war and win, guess what it's yours. That is how every war in world history has worked. Why any nation has a say is ridiculous. Are you going to tell Putin to give back land? No because he'd shoot you in the head.

 @9MFGY5D from New Jersey  commented…8mos8MO

Why any nation has a say is ridiculous.

Au contraire. If asked, both nations fighting over a piece of land will say it's theirs. The maps change once some other countries agree on which line in the sand to recognize. Defending and maintaining territory can look a lot like ongoing occupation, you feel me?

And anyways, borders are intangible things (and are subject to change), but people and their homes and their cities aren't. Forcing these people to get the hell out may be "the way things go", but that doesn't mean it's chill. It also doesn't have to be something we support. Not for nothing, ruining/ending the lives of Real Actual Humans for the sake of an abstraction is one of the least savory human traditions, and I'd personally be fine if we left it in the past.

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