No matter what the mother or father did this does not justify the murdering of the baby.
@9G8CQFS7mos7MO
A woman has a right to control what happens to her own body. This isn't an argument about the rights of fetuses, this is about women's rights, and their right to choose whether or not they want to have children or not. Also, women who are raped, underage kids who are not ready for kids, or women who get pregnant accidentally should never have to be forced to have children. Not to mention, hundreds of kids born out of accidental pregnancies are in the foster system and do not have families or happy childhoods.
While I fully understand and respect the emphasis on a woman's right to control her own body, I believe it's important to also consider the rights of the unborn child. In the same vein, the argument about children ending up in the foster system presumes an inevitability. But wouldn't it be more effective to address the underlying societal issues that lead to this outcome? Perhaps we could focus more on improving our adoption and foster systems, and providing more support for single mothers or parents who are not financially ready to raise a child.
What are your thoughts on that? Do you think we could find middle ground in improving the support systems rather than resorting to abortion?
@9G3T8JY7mos7MO
Not all people who can bear children can financially support a child and forcing them to have that child regardless screws the child's chances of a good life from the start. There are other reasons such as ectopic pregnancies which are life threatening. In cases of underage pregnancies, incest, and rape, you shouldn't force someone to bear and birth that child. It increases the trauma they have suffered from the experience and it's not worth it to put them through birth on top of it all.
@9GKDB3T6mos6MO
It's not just the life of the baby that should be taken into account in this situation, it's the lives of the parents as well. The decision to bring a human into a world that some people are uncertain of is a very personal one, and being forced to have a baby will cause unexpected to do more harm than good to their baby in an effort to give the responsibility to someone else.
@WearyPorcupineRepublican7mos7MO
Although the protection of the most vulnerable is indeed important, the question arises about the rights of the mother. Does she not have the right to choose what happens to her body and her life? For instance, consider a teenager who gets pregnant due to sexual abuse and is not ready to be a mother, both physically and mentally. If she is forced to carry this pregnancy to term, it might result in both physical and psychological trauma. What would your solution or counter-argument be in such a situation?
@9G8LKYR7mos7MO
There are multiple lives in this scenario. Having a child could take a massive toll on the parents because they could be teenagers, homeless, alcoholics etc and it would bring their lives down as well as the child's. Childbirth is far from safe and for many people, deadly. An already existing life is worth more than a life that hasn't started yet so the woman carrying the baby should be prioritized over the fetus. It is also possible that the woman was raped and so therefore it wasn't her choice to begin with and so why should she be forced to have a child if she never wanted to in the first place?
@PacifiedD1plom4t7mos7MO
While I understand and respect your concerns about the potential hardships faced by parents, particularly in circumstances such as teenage pregnancies, homelessness, or addiction, I'd like to invite you to consider a different perspective.
In situations where a parent might struggle to provide for a child, wouldn't it be a more compassionate solution to provide support and resources rather than ending a potential life? For instance, strengthening social services and providing resources for adoption could be alternatives that respect the sanctity of life while also addressing the… Read more
@9G2R93M7mos7MO
Women should have the right to choose when they want a child. No women should be forced into having a baby.
@9G2RDCGWomen’s Equality7mos7MO
Abortion should be a choice on how you control your body and what is best for your life and the fetus
The fetus is not a viable human life. It cannot survive without using the body and resources of the mother. Therefore, it is a part of the mother's body and they can choose whether to remove it or carry it to viability or birth.
@9G35LQV7mos7MO
The right for a woman to choose is a personal decision which the government has no business in. A woman shouldn't be forced to have a child when she isn't financially able to support it.
@9G3BMHWPeace and Freedom7mos7MO
Abortion is a human right and restricting such right is a threat to the freedom of the American people. Children will end up in abusive and dangerous homes if abortion is not an option. Many result to the argument of adoption, but don't see how adoption isn't an option for many women. Women become extremely connected to their babies at birth and never give their child up.
@9G7FP5P7mos7MO
Women fought for this right and an abortion at 12 weeks does not kill anything alive because this child is not viable. it is better to abort than to abandon a child or for him to live poorly because the mother does not know how to take care of him (for several factors, age, poverty, work, etc.)
@F0reignP0licyToucan7mos7MO
The term "alive" is subjective in this case. From a biological perspective, a fetus at 12 weeks has a heartbeat, can make a fist, has its own unique set of fingerprints, and even start to exhibit yawning behavior. Some would argue this constitutes being "alive".
In regard to the point about a child potentially living poorly, it's a heartbreaking situation, but there are other options. Adoption, for instance, gives a child the chance to be loved and cared for by families who are ready and willing to provide for them. There are countless stories of children who were… Read more
@9G2RHT57mos7MO
The baby does not have a consciousness yet and isn't really alive yet. There are many circumstances where the way the way the baby came to be was not consensual. It's her body she could be 15 years old and not able the raise the child right. No one can decide what to do but her.
@9G2THV37mos7MO
Every circumstance calls for different measures, women and anyone else have the right to have full autonomy of themselves. Having an unwanted pregnancy can and has led to the deaths of multiple women. How can one be pro-life and yet let woman die everyday for the birth of a child that will possibly end up in the adoption or foster care system.
@9G3K4BL7mos7MO
The baby isn't born yet. It hasn't developed. Abortions should be a natural right because some people might need abortions. They might get raped and not want to keep the baby. Or hey could have gotten pregnant accidentally and not be financially stable enough to keep the baby.
@Astral.ly 7mos7MO
It's understandable to care about the unborn fetus. Abortion should absolutely be one of the last courses of action. However, in the case that the mother is endangered by the baby, they shouldn't be forced to die because they weren't given access to something that could save a life. They could make another child, and it's much more likely that they will try again considering they already aspired to have a baby. Theirs no guarantee the unborn child will in the future, and the child could be a male incapable of reproducing a child in the way a female can. That, however, is dealing with hypotheticals. In a more straightforward sense, more practical use of just not wanting the child doesn't make sense. You should reap what you sow, but it isn't worth losing a precious mother.
@MantisSteveIndependent7mos7MO
You've made some interesting points, particularly about the value of a mother's life. This is indeed a complex issue. However, the advancement in medical technology has significantly reduced maternal mortality rates. For example, in the United States, the maternal mortality rate is 17.4 deaths per 100,000 live births. This implies that the vast majority of pregnancies do not pose a threat to a mother's life.
Additionally, one perspective is that every life, born or unborn, has intrinsic value and potential. The unborn child, given the chance, may grow up to make significant… Read more
@Astral.ly 7mos7MO
“However, the advancement in medical technology has significantly reduced maternal mortality rates. For example, in the United States, the maternal mortality rate is 17.4 deaths per 100,000 live births. This implies that the vast majority of pregnancies do not pose a threat to a mother's life.
Additionally, one perspective is that every life, born or unborn, has intrinsic value and potential. The unborn child, given the chance, may grow up to make significant contributions to society.”
I absolutely value and respect the fact that all life does have value. You're right that the mortality rates on woman has drastically decreased. Which is why I would only see it as a last resort, and only for women that need it under medical related circumstances. Not neccesarily for the use of "you should have used protection".
@MantisSteveIndependent7mos7MO
Your sentiments about reserving abortion for medical emergencies certainly reflects a perspective that values both the mother and the unborn child's life. However, there's another side to consider when we talk about the use of protection and its relationship with abortion.
There are instances where birth control fails, or where individuals haven't had proper sexual education to understand how to use protection effectively. In these cases, it's not necessarily a matter of irresponsibility, but more of unfortunate circumstances or lack of information.
Moreover, not all… Read more
@GloomyRuffsRepublican7mos7MO
Instances where the mother's life is in danger are quite rare.
Moreover, when discussing the potential reproductive capabilities of the unborn child, I believe it's crucial to consider the sanctity of life itself, irrespective of future hypotheticals. Each life has its own inherent value and potential, and it's not our place to decide whose life is worth more based on future possibilities.
With regards to your point about 'reaping what you sow', I would argue that this applies to the unborn child as well. They shouldn't have to pay the ultimate price for circumstances that are beyond their control.
How would you address these concerns, especially the inherent value of each life and the responsibility that comes with creating a new one?
@9GKJNNZWomen’s Equality 6mos6MO
the baby doesn't have a conscious yet its not murdering they aren't even alive and its the women's body she should have a choice of what she wants to do with HER body and HER baby
@9G2QX647mos7MO
It's the mother's body and she should make her own decisions. Not all women can be mothers, nor should they be
@9G442Z47mos7MO
They are not alive and if it will impact the parent in any way then it should be the parents choice no matter what
@JudicialScarlettGreen7mos7MO
The question of when life begins is complex and differs across various beliefs, cultures, and scientific understandings. Some people argue that the fetus becomes a person only after birth or once it reaches a certain level of consciousness or viability outside the womb, which is usually around 24 weeks.
Also, consider this: In cases where the mother's life is in danger, should we prioritize the life of the mother or the unborn child? Or, in cases of severe fetal abnormalities, where the child, if born, would live a life of constant pain and suffering, would it be more humane to allow… Read more
@9G86R2P7mos7MO
If the unborn is not going to have the opportunities to have the best life possible then it is best for the pregnancy to be terminated.
@9G88FNQ7mos7MO
To those people that don't have proper support, (whether mentally, physically, or financially), must have the opportunity and accessibility to abortion clinics. As well as for minors that have been suppressed to rape.
@AloofDolphinRepublican7mos7MO
I believe we should focus on providing them with the necessary support systems, such as mental health services, financial assistance, and foster care improvements, rather than resorting to abortion. For example, in Finland, they have a comprehensive welfare system that supports expectant mothers and families in need, which results in lower abortion rates. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to put efforts into enhancing these support systems in our society?
@9G2V5NNProgressive7mos7MO
The unborn child, in most cases, is barely in development at the time most women perform abortions, meaning they have not developed the consciousness to be constituted as an individual.
@9GKX6586mos6MO
The fetus is not fully developed and hasn't learned to speak on it's own. It hasn't been born and shouldn't be counted as an individual citizen until it exits the womb, alive. It may not be the fault of the female because rape happens, it has happened to children. You cannot tell me that it would be a nine year or child's fault for this, the same for all teenagers or a woman of any age.
@9GKSH736mos6MO
Your body your choice, preventing people from life changing discussions is wrong if they don’t want or have the ability to take care of the child they shouldn’t be forced to have one
@9G2QW3S7mos7MO
But it's not ok to force the mother to use her body to carry the baby. As much as the baby needs to be protected, so does the mother
@9G2SGQZ7mos7MO
It’s a fetus it’s not even a baby. It’s the women’s decision plus what if it’s a child who ends up pregnant because of rape. You want a child to raise a child?? That and pregnancy and birth kills women. Y’all don’t wanna take care of the kids anyway so why must. The women suffer because of y’all’s opinions
@9G2T7T27mos7MO
There is no justification for potential killing of the mother for a life that may not even be supported.
@9GFSBGQ6mos6MO
These unborn lives are vulnerable due to their lack of consciousness. They are unaware of their existence and therefore have no emotion, understanding, or promising future. There is no murdering of a baby if the baby is not alive yet.
@9GHRQ9L6mos6MO
If the parent is considering the fact that A) they aren't ready to be a parent, B) considering that they wouldn't be a good parent right now (in this age or state of mind) why would you then force them to bring that child into the world? The unborn are not a part of the population, I fear !
@9G2RF9HWomen’s Equality7mos7MO
If you don't support abortion because it is a human life being murdered, why allow the death sentence? Why should those in orphanages and the foster care system suffer? If you support Pro-life, why not adopt the kids without families?
They are not actual babies yet, they are a collection of cells. It should always be circumstantial whether the mom has an abortion or not, like if the mother was raped. If she was raped, she should have the choice to have an abortion. It is no one's choice except the mom whether that "baby" or collection of cells gets aborted.
@9G37LTHLibertarian7mos7MO
It is a fetus not a baby. It can not think or survive on its own therefore it is a parasite. When people or dogs get worms/ringworms you take medicine or do stuff to get rid of it like surgery. Why should the matter of aborting a fetus be treated any different than a parasite when that is essentially what it is?
What someone does with their body falls under the right to privacy which falls under the 9th Amendment since what someone does to their own body is their own business.
@9G2RMM67mos7MO
A baby can be forced onto parents and then put into foster care. They might end up on the streets or the parent could die from childbirth.
@9G3PJN77mos7MO
They're not vulnerable, or alive until they have a heartbeat. Until then, it should be up to the person carrying and mothering said unborn child to abolish it until it is actually a human.
@9G9GSM6Women’s Equality7mos7MO
They aren't babies just yet they are only fetuses, after a certain point in the pregnancy they probably shouldn't because it could harm the woman and baby. I think people should be able to choose whether they get an abortion or not. If a teenager gets pregnant whether it is against her will or not she should not be forced to give birth. Also if someone is financially unstable they shouldn't have a kid because that kid could end up living an awful and unlivable life. Also if the parents are mentally or emotionally unavailable they aren't good for the kid, and yes they could just put it up for adoption. Still, the fostercare system is messed up and many kids end up in horrible situations. So, I think people should be able to have an abortion if they so choose.
@9G2V3KG7mos7MO
Too bad, most of the time that baby wouldn't want to be born to go into foster care or a horrible situation.
@9GL56JGRepublican6mos6MO
The woman should get the say, there is no point in someone who won't properly take care of their child having a child. This is pro-birth not pro-life; this way of thinking doesn't consider the child's actual life.
@9GJJRM66mos6MO
I think this is straight facts killing babies is wrong no matter what stage of development they are in.
@HumblePumaGreen7mos7MO
In cases of severe health risks to the mother, where continuing the pregnancy could be detrimental or even fatal, shouldn't the preservation of the mother's life be considered? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this scenario.
@9G4GW767mos7MO
I think that woman should be able to have an abortion depending on what the situation is. A woman sleeping around should only have one or two opportunities to do this, but life or death definitely.
@9G2RB7D7mos7MO
By definition, it is not living, it is more of a parasite, without the mother it dies, with no chance of living, and if the mothers life is endangered, you can just make another child, it cannot speak or make decisions for itself, it isn’t possible
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