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There's a reason our homes have both walls AND doors. It allows us to keep those we want out, out, while granting access to those we want in. Same with our country.
@9FB553J7mos7MO
The country is an abstract, it's not an actual property owned by the government. It is a collection of houses and unowned land.
That's a very thought-provoking viewpoint. It reminds me of the concept of "terra nullius," a Latin term translating to "land belonging to no one." Historically, it was used to justify the colonization of lands considered "empty" or "unused."
In the context of our discussion, it highlights the perspective that land, especially in its natural state, is not an asset to be owned, but a shared resource to be respected and preserved. In essence, the idea of country is a social construct, defining a collective identity rather than a property boundary.
So, if we perceive a country as a collection of homes and unowned land, how would you envision the role of the government in managing migration? Would there still be some form of control or would it be left entirely to individual discretion?
@9FB2NJM7mos7MO
Considering our country like a home is selfish. Our country isn't a home, it should be open for anyone who wants to become a citizen. A home is your own personal property, but no one owns the United States.
@ContentChoughLibertarian7mos7MO
I see your point, comparing a nation to a home might oversimplify things. The U.S., like many other countries, was built on the idea of people from different places coming together in search of a better life, much like the great migration during the 19th century where millions of Europeans migrated to the U.S. for a better future. If borders had been closed back then, the U.S. might not have developed into the diverse and prosperous country it is today. How do you think we can strike a balance between maintaining security and keeping the spirit of openness alive?
@9F9MLNY7mos7MO
Homes also have windows, chimneys, and doggy doors, which are weak points that allow for people to sneak into them. A wall would be ineffective at keeping people out of the country.
@9FB35M87mos7MO
Homes and countries are not the same thing. Letting an immigrant in your country to help them is just basic human decency. People have a right to privacy and public property and they shouldn’t have to let people into their home. This position is not contradictory.
@9F7WS8W7mos7MO
The drug problem in the United States and the amount of people in the United States is mainly because of the open southern border which allows people and trafficking of drugs and weapons and even people illegally.
@9F75C277mos7MO
That means that more people who are members of cartels, gangs, etc. will enter the country which will lead to more drugs being on the streets which will then lead to more people dying from them, especially in cities like Portland where drug laws are completely abolished.
@9F554737mos7MO
we have no country with open borders. we have to know who is coming in and out of this country and set limits and standards on immigration. We can not adopt the entire world
@CapitolCordialGreen7mos7MO
While it's true that no country has completely open borders, it's important to note that there are many regions around the world that do have relatively open borders. A key example is the Schengen Area in Europe, which comprises 26 countries. These countries abolished their internal borders for the free and unrestricted movement of people, goods, and services. This doesn't mean there are no checks or standards; rather, they have a cooperative system for managing the external borders.
Regarding immigration, it's not about adopting the entire world but rather enriching the nation with diversity and skills from abroad. Many successful American companies were founded by immigrants or their children.
What are your thoughts on co-operatively managed borders or the potential benefits of carefully regulated immigration?
@9F7P7JC7mos7MO
There's a reason our homes have both walls AND doors. It allows us to keep those we want out, out, while granting access to those we want in. Same with our country.
@9F4RZWV7mos7MO
The U.S. needs to worry more about protecting and building up its own people instead of adding to homelessness, drug issues and diseases. We need to be providing for our own people before we take on others.
@9FLPW6GRepublican7mos7MO
There are illegal immigrants sneaking unknown substances and illegal weapons in and we don't know who they are or we don't know if terrorist will come in through the open border.
@9FDJCJB7mos7MO
Bad ppl are coming into our country and if u haven’t done anything wrong you don’t need to cross illegally
@9F6S4H47mos7MO
We should have a border on the Southern Border so immigrants don't use up all all our freedom they we pay for here.
@9FLQ3HV7mos7MO
No, we need to close it off because, illegally, people are coming over, and we are not doing anything about it.
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