In 2014 the U.S. Senate blocked the Paycheck Fairness Act which would make it illegal for employers to pay unequal wages to men and women who perform the same work. The goals of the act were to make wages more transparent, require employers to prove that wage discrepancies are tied to legitimate business qualifications and not gender and prohibiting companies from taking retaliatory action against employees who raise concerns about gender-based wage discrimination. Opponents argue that studies which show pay gaps don’t take into account women who take jobs that are more family-friendl…
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@ISIDEWITH10yrs10Y
Yes
@9GJCMDN 2yrs2Y
Top Agreement
Yes, women and men should both have the right to gain the same amount of money for doing the same job. It shouldn't be different just because of gender. Which it all falls under the equal protection clause.
@9GJNH682yrs2Y
I think men and women should be payed the same, because i don't think any person or individual should be payed less than average minimum or less.
@9F7Z7JD 2yrs2Y
Here's a quote taken from U.S. Department of Labor, "Overall, women are not paid as much as men, even when working full time and year round. On average, women working full time, year round are paid 83.7% of what men are paid. This inequity is even greater for Black and Hispanic women."
Not only are men paid more than women, there is a greater difference with women of different races. Although the gender pay gap has narrowed since the signing of the Equal Pay Act of 1963, women earned 82 cents for every dollar a man earns according to 2020 data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (United States Census Bureau).
@9FD6BWGIndependent2yrs2Y
Women on average don't choose as high paying jobs as men do. Men work the more dangerous and beneficial jobs. An estimated 13.9 million more men work compared to women. If companies could pay women less than they would exclusively hire women.
While it's true that occupational segregation exists, suggesting that women choose lower-paying jobs is an oversimplification. It doesn't consider societal norms and expectations which can influence job choices. Additionally, the idea that men work more dangerous jobs doesn't justify wage disparity, because every job should be paid based on its value and required skills, not its risk level.
Regarding the point about companies exclusively hiring women if they could pay them less, it's important to remember that hiring decisions are influenced by a myriad of factors, not just… Read more
@9K5NZGD1yr1Y
Women have the same opportunities as men. Businesses tend to pay diligent workers more than lazy workers, this is true for both genders. If businesses could get away with paying women less than men, the workforce would be predominately women.
@9FB7Q57Libertarian2yrs2Y
Women earn 4% more than men do for the same work, with the same qualifications and experience, when working for equal time. Overall, women work fewer hours, have less experience, and work in professions which pay less. This gender pay gap myth has now led companies to overspend on HR and administrative positions (which are much less skilled) in order to balance out the fictional discrepancy.
@9FC77PYIndependent2yrs2Y
I think this is completely irrelevant unless you’re talking about the same jobs with the same backgrounds and the same IQ . There’s too many variables here to say one way or the other.
Even if women aren't paid as much as men that would be because the men working have a higher degree and a better education, not only that but most women don't work the harder more dangerous jobs that men do, it is only men that really focus on the more dangerous jobs of the situations that come.
@9FLPVSY2yrs2Y
Yes, I feel like both men and women should get equal pay. I understand if it is two different jobs but the idea or belief that men should get paid more for doing the same job and working the same hours that women work. Both men and women were created equal and if us as a country can't seem to understand that we are all equal then, we have managed to fall behind and not forward with our generations.
@9FV8Y2Q2yrs2Y
It's mostly just a human right. Men and women are equal, so therefore we should be treated the same. Employers should always be required to pay men and women the same salary for the same job. Just because you're a woman, that doesn't make any difference because you're doing the same thing.
@ISIDEWITH10yrs10Y
Yes, and businesses should be required to publish their salary ranges for each position
@9F86WHN2yrs2Y
If a man is getting paid more than a women, or the other way around, then there is something wrong with that company's morals because they think that one gender/sex is more superior than the other, and that's completely unfair.
@9F7SNR92yrs2Y
For jobs that require physical labor instead of having a set pay, they should pay based on performance. In corporate jobs, the pay should be equal.
@9F7X2R4Working Family2yrs2Y
Men and women that work at the same jobs, should be able to get payed equally because most of the time women do more than men, yet they still get paid less and they should be able to get paid what men are getting paid for the same job.
@9F8Q2PGRepublican2yrs2Y
The business should not have to publicly give the salaries of their employees and the amount paid to the employee should be based off of the work they do, not their physical appearance.
@9F935392yrs2Y
Yes, their pay should be based off of the work they do, which is why women and men should be paid the same amount for the same job, also if there is nothing holding them accountable, who's to say they won't discriminate?
@ISIDEWITH10yrs10Y
No, there are too many other variables such as education, experience, and tenure that determine a fair salary
@9FSC9WR2yrs2Y
I would say, it shouldn't matter if the employee is male or female in this scenario. What I am asking for with equal pay is that employers should be incentivised to hire the best worker regardless of sex and that women should not have unproportionate pay to men simply for being women.
@9FCJKWX2yrs2Y
A man with knowledge of company history, procedures, finances, employees, etc. who has been growing with the company or who received specialized training deserves more compensation than a woman who just walked off the street or has no knowledge of the company workings. Private companies should pay employees however they wish, but it should not be required to pay less qualified individuals the same salary.
Your perspective is understandable. Everyone would agree that employees who have more experience, expertise, and have contributed significantly to a company's success deserve a higher compensation. However, the question here is not about experience, but about gender. If a woman and a man have the same level of qualifications, experience, and responsibilities, should they not be paid the same?
Let's take a hypothetical example. Suppose, there are two engineers in the same company, one male and one female. They both graduated from the same university, have the same amount of work experience, and are performing the same job. Shouldn't they be paid equally?
Please share your thoughts on this specific scenario.
@9F7PVYX2yrs2Y
That many other factors of education and experience and such are applied the picture that the wage gap disappears
@9FJFHQN2yrs2Y
Yes they are both qualified and are doing the same job and sometimes then men aren’t even doing their job and still get paid more
@ISIDEWITH10yrs10Y
No
@9F86WHN2yrs2Y
Why would you not want equal pay? Whether it be a male or female, if they have the same job it would make sense for them to get paid the same. It doesn't make sense why a male would get paid more than a female would.
@9F7SNR92yrs2Y
There is no reason for a woman to get paid less than a man does in most corporate jobs. For jobs that require physical labor instead of having a set pay, they should pay based on performance. In corporate jobs, the pay should be equal.
@9GQN9XX2yrs2Y
We should not even be looking at the gender, race, ethnicity, ect to determine pay, and if the same job is being done then you should get the same pay.
@9F7CMNB2yrs2Y
If it's the same job, why would a man and a women get paid differently? If it's depending on their qualifications, maybe, but if they're doing the same thing, why would one get paid more than the other.
@ISIDEWITH8yrs8Y
No, this is irrelevant because the gender wage gap is a myth
@9F7S7M62yrs2Y
There is no wage gap, women and men are payed the same if they were to do the same jobs, if they did the same jobs and put in the same amount of work then yes they would be payed more. but the wage gap argument is a complete joke and excuse for women to complain for what they don't have
@ISIDEWITH10yrs10Y
No, the government should never determine what a private business should pay employees
@9F7PPYM2yrs2Y
The government should set a minimum to ensure that all employees make an amount they can easily live off of other than that they shouldn't determine whether they pay over that or not and how much.
@9F848L82yrs2Y
The government needs to care as with unfair pay, especially regarding race or gender, can cause an extreme social issue.
@9F7TW252yrs2Y
If its based off discrimination than thats not cool dude. However, if someone has been working their longer, or works harder than another person, they should be paid more.
@9F88JVB2yrs2Y
It's unfair to the workers if they are not getting paid equally, if their not getting paid the amount of money they need to live then how do you expect them to keep working, even if it's a different business?
@ISIDEWITH9yrs9Y
No, the current requirements in the Equal Pay Act of 1963 are already sufficient
@9F6TRZM 2yrs2Y
Top Disagreement
In the vision of all people of America being born equal, it is unjust to give women a different pay rate than a man for doing the same job as him. Having different pay rates for men and women is a form of gender discrimination.
@9F7Z7JD 2yrs2Y
Even today, women aren't given the same pay rate as men. No matter what gender you are, everyone should have equal pay and gender bias should not be considered when it is related to a person's money making.
@9FDZYWYLibertarian2yrs2Y
I agree. Just because a female is working at like, construction or something, doesn't mean that they aren't doing the same thing as the man. They are, and sometimes they do it better for worse pay.
@SolidPretzels2yrs2Y
Well, my sister actually works in construction. She's been in the industry longer than some of her male colleagues and yet she gets paid less. From her experience, it's not just about the work done but also about how society values certain jobs more when they are performed by men. It's a complex issue that needs addressing. However, some argue that there should be more consideration given to skills, experience, and qualifications when setting pay, rather than strictly gender. What do you think about this perspective? Could there be a middle ground to ensure fairness in pay across genders while still acknowledging individual merits?
The vast majority of statistics show that women are consistently paid less for the same jobs men occupy the restrictions must be strengthened.
@9FF27KY2yrs2Y
Both women and men are working the same amount of hours and are putting the same amount of work in. The pay needs to be equal if both are doing the same.
@9F7SN5M2yrs2Y
Gender and race should not be factored into the amount someone is payed, society underpays immigrants for highly difficult jobs and say we are being fair.
@8MLB4GS5yrs5Y
No, it should depend how much each peron works.
@4LP27P55yrs5Y
It depends on how well they do their job and how long they have been doing their job, jobs can't be used as labels for income. Some jobs where 2 men have the same job one of them still receives better pay because they have done a better job. Feminists need to quit being so vague with their protests and worry about getting better at their job to increase their income instead of acting entitled.
@4NPML495yrs5Y
Women aren't people, and thus do not deserve the same amount of money as men #trump2016
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 8mos8MO
With all the kindness in my heart I'm asking you to shut up.
@997GJVH2yrs2Y
Women ARE people and deserve the respect that people get. Does that mean your wife (if you have one) is not a person? Or how about you sister (if you have one)? Or what about an aunt, or cherished grandmother? Does that mean that they aren't people? Women are people. Use your brain.
@9ZRSZBV7mos7MO
Ok kiddo, go back to whichever incel subreddit you slithered out of
@8FDMGXN5yrs5Y
I believe that people are already paid the same. People don't account for the danger of jobs and the kinds of jobs that women and men have.
@4LL94P25yrs5Y
The womans place is in the home is what the Bible says so they need not to be in the workforce
@997GJVH2yrs2Y
I don't disagree, but I don't agree either. While the Bible does say (indirectly) that the woman's place is in the home, there are a few places (Proverbs 31 being most relevant in this context) that suggest that a woman can and should do work. If a parent is to remain in the home (whether to attend to young children, or cook and clean) then it is the woman, for that is what women have done for generations and generations. But if they are single, or married but have no kids, who is to say that it is wrong to go and get a job? What do you expect them to do all day? Sit at home… Read more
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican3mos3MO
Sometime traditional gender norms need to be sacrificed to ensure financial stability, as that is the most important
@8VL9DP44yrs4Y
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-databook/2020/home.htm#:~:text=In%202019%2C%2057.4%20percent%20of,of%2060.0%20percent%20in%201999.
That must mean that the Bible says guys should be working. Where are you guys at? Slacking off?
Yes, and businesses should be required to publish their salary ranges for each position. Although, many statistics are based off of the 1970s-80s
@4LLBXZP5yrs5Y
The wage gap doesn't exist. Studies have shown that the wage gap doesn't account for education, hours worked, maternity leave, etc.
The wage gap absolutely does exist. Women earn 84 cents to the dollar that men make. Do some research.
@9WW5Y9C8mos8MO
Yes, the gender wage gap exists, but it is nuanced, with underlying factors influencing its scope. Studies generally show that, on average, women earn less than men in similar positions, but a significant part of this discrepancy can be explained by various social and economic factors. For instance, men and women often pursue different fields of study and career paths, which influences earning potential; men are more represented in high-paying industries like engineering and finance, while women are more represented in lower-paying sectors like education and healthcare. Working hours also pla… Read more
@4LMWJT25yrs5Y
I think there should be tax incentives for single income married couples w children. Women should be paid equally
@4NLTGSH5yrs5Y
This is a stupid question. What do we mean by the same job? should a male teacher who just started be paid the same amount as a female teacher with thirty years experience? Of course not, the longer you work the more you get paid to keep you around. That's the price of experience and knowledge. Also how were these studies conducted that conclude that women are making between two thirds and three fourths compared to men's earnings? comparing a woman who works as a cashier at a 7-11 to a man who works as an investment banker will provide a stark contrast indeed. The studies I've… Read more
@8FVNSPRProgressive5yrs5Y
Regardless there should be no discrimination based on gender. Instead other variables such as education, experience, work ethic, etc., should be what the income is based on
@8WXM2M94yrs4Y
Yes there are other factors
@4NQDW5Z5yrs5Y
Forced equality is not true equality.
What actually occurs in the free market is wages come down as more workers enter the workforce. Not the reverse. Since historically the newbie into an otherwise stable workforce will challenge the existing workforce to improve methods and lower costs. That's how they show their value and earn a position. Since women are relatively newer to the global earning workforce, they have to and do add more value for less; and, as a result they have acquired jobs that were previously held by their less productive per dollar male counterparts.
@4NYJQPP5yrs5Y
I have yet to hear anyone explain the wage gap in a way that makes economic sense.
That it exists is unquestioned but until you know why it exist you legislating a result is counter productive: equal pay legislation is flat stupid. As an employer I will tell you that equal pay will result in fewer women being hired and separation of male and female carrier paths. I would support an 'affirmative action like' program for women
@4NDF78Z5yrs5Y
Yes, they should earn the same unless they can't perform the job as adequately. Example: Most women cannot carry someone over their shoulder out of a burning building, like a man can. (Firemen). In this instance, I not only don't think she should earn the same, but I don't think she should even be hired for a job she can't perform as well as a man...and endanger lives.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 8mos8MO
And if said woman trains then she CAN carry someone out of a burning building just as well. Your points invalid women are just as strong as men.
@4MT2N6W5yrs5Y
yes, but hourly rates of individuals are already the same. Life style choices affect income.
@4MTK7H75yrs5Y
Only IF the woman can ACTUALLY do the job as a man could without the assistance of a man.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 8mos8MO
Why would they be unable to do so?
@4NLXWJJ5yrs5Y
The companies may consider to hire less women employees because they may require more holidays while being paid with the same wage, and it is also the truth that women may require more holidays compared to men.
@4NYHHM95yrs5Y
As long as women adjust their professional lives to their family needs, they'll never be doing the same job. I know men who work 7am to 11pm & have wives take care of the kids. Men are often more willing to travel & sacrifice for their jobs. Women are more likely to sacrifice for their families. As long as that's the case, men should receive the benefit of their sacrifices. If women want those same benefits, they'll have to make the same sacrifices within the same venue. Your workplace shouldn't be paying you a bigger salary to stay home & take care of your own kids. It's an issue for spouses to decide or for the unmarried to decide how much of their lives will be tied to their workplace.
@4NDCN8L5yrs5Y
Men Superiority. Deport the feminists.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 8mos8MO
Deport people who believe in male superiority.
@9DYNCDP2yrs2Y
Only if both genders can genuinely do the same work. If something is only a "mans" job, then a woman would never be hired. I believe that workplaces always discriminate against anything, no matter where it is or what their policy says. We have to be equals, just as a single father should receive the same help a single mother does.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 8mos8MO
There is snot such thing as a job a man can do that a woman cant do just as well.
@CommittedQuiche2yrs2Y
Are you saying that employers shouldn't measure + reward employees for skills?
@Xtremefaith 5yrs5Y
No, but there should be a government solution (tax credit, incentive, support program, etc.) for mothers to have fair opportunity in the marketplace #TheRealGenderGap
No, two candidates cannot be deemed equal based on gender alone, which is why most positions provide a range according to candidates experience and education. Instead, there should be program, tax savings, or some mechanism by which provides mothers a fair career path since this is where the true gender gap resides.
@9KX8MY81yr1Y
If a man and a woman have the exact same job work the same hours and have been working at the company for the same amount of time they are paid the same.
Deleted2yrs2Y
Yes, and make sure Non-binary individuals get paid the same salary as well
@TruthHurts1012yrs2Y
No, allow businesses the right to pay anyone they want whatever the heck they want and to refuse service to anyone.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 8mos8MO
Would you like it if I refused service to you?
@4NXXLT95yrs5Y
No, as women often have much better and many more benefits than men.
@4NDPHLL5yrs5Y
More incentives and women orientated by design curriculum by government to attract women to STEM education
@4LP4VNV5yrs5Y
People should be paid for the degree of work they do. In a physical job women shouldn't be paid as high as men because she can't physically do it. Now an office job...if she can outperform the man she deserves to be paid more.
@9YFCKMN8mos8MO
Yes, as long as both men and women meet the same conditions of education, experience and tenure. They should also require publishing standard salary ranges for each position
@9J24W5N1yr1Y
If given that they do the same exact job, putting in the same exact effort, and for the same exact of time, then yes. Pay should be based on effort, time, and position/line of work.
@9HKRSQP 2yrs2Y
As long as they meet the same variables like education, experience, and tenure that determine a fair salary, then yes. Businesses should be required to publish salary ranges for each positions.
@9FXFJH32yrs2Y
Base salary is standard for everyone regardless of sex/gender, but bonuses and additional compensation is based off of skill level and performance
@9FLYCCQ2yrs2Y
Yes, If they do as good of job
Yes. Only experience and performance should affect a wage, not gender, and companies should be required to publish their salary ranges for each position based only on those metrics.
@9F8Z8D42yrs2Y
If they work as hard, yes.
@9DQ53L42yrs2Y
Yes, and all of the reasons listed here for people saying no are just misogynists trying to justify their beliefs. Yes, the gender wage gap is largely a myth, yes, there are other factors that go into determining wage, but that is irrelevant because the question is clearly referring specifically to sex-based discrimination, and yes, it’s already illegal for wages to be different based on sex, but to put a “no” before those answers is saying that no, actually wages shouldn’t be equal for men and women working the same job.
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