In June 2023 a grand jury indicted former President Donald J Trump with 37 felony counts for mishandling classified documents after his presidency. 31 counts fall under the espionage act and 6 counts fall under making false statements and engaging in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. This is the first case in the history of the United States where a former president has been indicted under federal charges. When asked if President Biden would pardon Trump during a June 13 2024 press conference, the White House secretary stated “No comment.” On the same date republican Presidentia…
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@ISIDEWITH2yrs2Y
No
@9F822MV 2yrs2Y
Top Disagreement
no matter how highstandin you are in society, you should be charged with the same crimes as everyone else.
@9F98KLZ2yrs2Y
Political leaders should be held accountable for actions they've made in or out of office and their sentence should be made accordingly
@9F9868PProgressive 2yrs2Y
Those who are able to become high-standing in society (if aren’t nepo babies or criminals) have proved that they are good enough people to reach the top.
@9F8DXW32yrs2Y
Do not use tyrannical force on a political opponent. If the same was happening at other countries, we as a country would be up in arms calling them fascists.
@9F7XW7TRepublican2yrs2Y
They haven't given out when trump had the documents and who he got it from, for all we know, he could've known that they were just regular instead of classified. It needs to be more investigated before convicting him of anything.
@9F7K2882yrs2Y
It is not your business who I will be voting for in the upcoming election I don’t really believe that his mishandling charge is backed by any ground other than a corrupt government. I don’t think he should have been charged but I also feel like we should hold all people to the same standards and rule of law. Current “President” if you could call him that, has been found with documents laying around in his garage visible to the public yet nothing has happened to him. I feel that there is a two sided politically motivated law coming to America and should be stopped immed… Read more
@ISIDEWITH2yrs2Y
Yes
@9F83N262yrs2Y
The president is authorized to de-classify and handle classified documents at his own discrection without needing approval from others. However, BIden had hundreds, maybe even thousands, of still classified documents in one of his homes.
@9F7QZXK2yrs2Y
he committed crimes and stood upon the country as if he did no wrong and got off with his wrong doing because he was the president but i think he should be held accountable just like anyone else.
@9FF99Q42yrs2Y
They try to get as much dirt on him as they can because they feel threatened by him whether the "dirt" is fake or real. They hide everything wrong that people do when they like that person.
@9FDVZ7W2yrs2Y
Trump should not be pardoned for mishandling classified documents because those have important classified information that could put the United States in danger if they got in the hands of the wrong person/country.
@9FF83T92yrs2Y
well mr idc about your pronouns go look at hunter biden and joe biden they also had classified documents but the DOJ and FBI covered for them becuase of thier political stand point. You should also look at Hillery clinnton she also had classified documents in a laptop and the DOJ and the FBI AGAIN covered it up and Burned the evidence but we can stil trace those emails.
@DemocratFredDemocrat2yrs2Y
Oh, I see where this is going. So, we're tossing the rule book out the window and engaging in a good old 'Whataboutism' game. Alright, let's play. But first, let's clarify some things. The allegations against Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton are indeed serious, but they have been investigated. In fact, Clinton's case was subject to one of the most high-profile FBI investigations in recent history, with then-Director James Comey announcing just days before the 2016 election that the investigation had been reopened. Ultimately, no charges were filed.
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@ISIDEWITH2yrs2Y
No, and Clinton and Biden should also be convicted for mishandling classified information
@9F9H6PN2yrs2Y
Top Disagreement
I agree with this statement. I agree with this statement because Donald Trump was holding classified documents in his room at his Mar-A-Lago home, similar to what Biden was doing. Biden held these documents in his own garage while he was in office, different from when Trump took them out while he was out of office. I firmly believe that if Trump is indicted for his actions, Biden should be too.
@9F65PPKRepublican2yrs2Y
Trump has accumulated an extremely significant amount of charges that have snowballed beyond basic charges that other political figures have committed.
@9F55VQW2yrs2Y
Trump deliberately misled his attnys and the govt and hid docs. Biden and pence returned them once they were found
@9F7VYR22yrs2Y
Biden administration should be convicted of mishandling classified information due to the biden family.
@ISIDEWITH2yrs2Y
Yes, this indictment represents a political double standard
@9FM477MRepublican2yrs2Y
If found guilty, Trump should not be pardoned and should go to jail, but the court systems could be rigged and people could be payed off.
@9F9H6PN2yrs2Y
Trump was not in office when he took the documents, just like other presidents have done that to write books and such. The same officials who went after Trump when he took the documents said that Biden was innocent, when he did a similar thing.
@ISIDEWITH2yrs2Y
@9DBSNVP2yrs2Y
Yes, but Clinton and Biden should also be convicted of mishandling classified information
@9CJDPM62yrs2Y
Yes, but Clinton and Biden should also be convicted of mishandling classified information.
@9D6TF222yrs2Y
The President shouldn't ever be charged with mishandling classified material. Period. The President can declassify or classify the material whenever he wants.
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
Trump was supposed to follow the process of declassification, and he did none of that. He claimed he declassified them like Micheal Scott saying “I declare bankruptcy!”
@PunditAbaloneRepublican2yrs2Y
You bring up an interesting point about the authority of the President to declassify information. Historically, this power has been used judiciously, such as when President Kennedy declassified information during the Cuban Missile Crisis to inform the public about the situation. However, if this power is misused, it could potentially put national security at risk. Where should we draw the line to balance the need for transparency with the need for security?
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
No, and presidents should not be allowed to pardon people either.
@AnalyticExplorer2yrs2Y
I agree, the presidential pardon power has been controversial in the past. For instance, President Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon after the Watergate scandal raised questions about the potential for abuse of this power. If found guilty, former President Trump should not be pardoned for mishandling classified documents, as it would set a dangerous precedent for future leaders. In your opinion, should there be any reforms to the presidential pardon power to prevent such abuses, or should it be removed altogether?
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
It should be removed altogether. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should have the autocratic power to veto the legal system and pardon whomever they like.
I agree that the power to pardon should be reconsidered. For example, in the case of President Bill Clinton pardoning financier Marc Rich, it was highly controversial and raised numerous questions about the appropriateness of such a move. It's important to ensure that the power to pardon is not abused by those in office. What would you suggest as an alternative system for presidential pardons or commutations?
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
I don't think anyone should be able to personally subvert the legal system and pardon whomever they want, and there is absolutely no good reason why that dictatorial power should exist.
@9FZGVT62yrs2Y
he was the president of the united states he had access to most documents regardless if it was shown on paper he still has knowledge of things in his brain.
While it's true that as a President, Trump had access to numerous classified documents, it's also crucial to remember that there are strict protocols for dealing with such information. These protocols are designed to ensure national security and prevent misuse of sensitive data. For instance, former CIA director General David Petraeus was charged with mishandling classified information.
What if such mishandling led to a security breach that put national security at risk? What could be an effective countermeasure to prevent such situations in the future?
@9D6GQGHRepublican2yrs2Y
He should not be found guilty on any charges since those charges are politically motivated and trumped up.
While it's understandable to view charges as politically motivated, it's crucial to remember that the legal system operates independently of politics. For instance, the Watergate scandal during Nixon's presidency led to charges that were not politically motivated, but rather based on evidence of wrongdoing. If Trump is found guilty by a court of law, it would be due to an analysis of facts and evidence, not political bias. What are your thoughts on the independence of our judicial process?
@9D7JB2M2yrs2Y
He shouldn't be pardoned but if we go after one former president we should look at all presidents. This treatment should be given across the board.
@C0al1tionAndyRepublican2yrs2Y
I think your point about impartiality is key. For instance, during the Obama administration, there was a significant controversy around Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server for official public communications, which is a serious issue. If we start holding presidents accountable, it should not be based on their political affiliation but rather on the severity of their actions. Do you think there should be a non-partisan committee established to handle such investigations?
@9GB48LL2yrs2Y
No, but Clinton Obama and Biden should also be convicted of mishandling classified information and punish george w bush for war crimes
@9DKX8442yrs2Y
No, but this indictment represents a political double standard. A wrong action doesn't make it illegal. Th facts will decide.
@9GCF3YG2yrs2Y
Absolutely not pardoned. Trump is a menace to our democracy and a corrupt, unethical American. He doesn’t understand complex Issues and has ruined our country and our international reputation.
NO, Nobody is above the law
@9G9Y3Z6Republican2yrs2Y
Yes, Trump did nothing wrong. Biden, Clinton, and many others have also mishandled classified information so its one side. Biden and Clinton should also be charged with mishandling classified information.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
lol cope
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
To be honest I'd love to see all of them in jail if they were found guilty. Rule of law suckers!
@99YHMXMRepublican2yrs2Y
Yes, and Clinton and Biden should also be convicted of mishandling classified information
@9FKWR8P2yrs2Y
I don’t understand this question.
@9FBQ4RFLibertarian2yrs2Y
It depends on what he did with the documents.
@9DWSD3J2yrs2Y
i dont really care about it
@9DNYCXH2yrs2Y
Yes, but Clinton and Biden should be convicted of mishandling classified information
@9DCTGXT2yrs2Y
I am unsure about this topic.
@9F4LTYGLibertarian2yrs2Y
No, but all politicians should be convicted of the same.
@9DS7BYM2yrs2Y
Yes, and Clinton and Biden should be convicted because what they have done is much worse
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
I agree they should all be imprisoned, but what did they do that was worse..?
@9D3RPBQ2yrs2Y
Every politcian should be held accountable for mishandling classify documents.
@9GKPF6XIndependent2yrs2Y
What he did was wrong, but procuting a political opponent at the time they decided to bring charges was intentinally meant to hurt his campain
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
They started trying to do these prosecutions less than a couple of months after he left, it just took time to gather all the data. Let's be honest here, if that guy gets back in, he might not leave again. After January 6th, the calls upon dictators to get dirt on Biden, the documents, the border security policies, the response to covid, the slander against workers and POC, it's disgusting that he's even allowed in plitics let alone on the ballot of the highest office in the world.
@9GKP6CM2yrs2Y
Why would they do anything to Trump when they have proof of everything from Biden but wont do anything.
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
Maybe because Biden hasn't been a compulsary liar and he likely didn't do anything? Might be because Trump is actually guilty and, just as he's said thousands of times, will be more than willing to lie to get what he wants.
@9FXPFQQ2yrs2Y
no wrongdoing was committed by the president of the united states. the presidential records act was ratified after his handing of classified documents to intentionally take him to court for it.
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
The presidential records act was ratified in 1978, he flagrantly broke that law.
@AnnoyedGorilla2yrs2Y
The intent of the Act was to establish public ownership of presidential and vice presidential records, not necessarily to criminalize their mishandling.
The Act itself allows for the disposal of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, as long as the Archivist of the United States and appropriate Congressional Committees are consulted.
If Trump violated this Act, it would be up to a court of law to determine his guilt or innocence. It's not as black and white as it may seem, and the nuances of the law should be considered.
@9FX79VMRepublican2yrs2Y
Trumps protected by the Presidential Records Act, unlike Biden who stored documents before he was president.
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
He actually made it illegal himself for a president to take hold of federal documents like that, which was ironically, the very crime Trump committed.
ONLY if he agrees to the following terms: He will not seek public office for the remainder of his life, he will not endorse any political candidates for the remainder of his life, he will pay a massive sum in damages to the United States Government, and he will appear on national television alongside President Biden to admit his historical guilt. Failure to comply with any of these terms will result in immediate revocation of a pardon and jail time commensurate to those crimes in which he has been found guilty.
@9CFKJ2Y2yrs2Y
He did not mishandle classified documents.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
lol yes he did
@TruthHurts1012yrs2Y
He most certainly did NOT do anything wrong, and Biden has WAY more classified documents than he ever did, so does Obama and Clinton but does your corrupted DOJ investigate them? Investigate Hunter? Heck no they don't! This is an example of a double standard in the justice system and a total and complete, shameless WITCH HUNT against an honorable president who did absolutely nothing wrong. You leftists ought to be ASHAMED of your BLATANT HYPOCRISY AND SHEER EVIL.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
lol Trump is absolutely guilty of multiple counts, and we already have photo evidence and his own text messages that prove it. The only way you could possibly convince yourself that he is innocent is through the sheer propagandized ignorance of the far-right cult.
Secondly, I absolutely believe that Biden and Hillary and Obama should ALSO be tried for their many political and corporate crimes. None of those people are Leftists, they are Liberals, who are fundamentally right-wing; you are closer to a Liberal than any Leftist is, you just think that you're more significantly different because America's political spectrum is heavily skewed right, plus you clearly have no economic understanding of what Liberals vs Leftists are. I believe you and Liberals are all evil...
@TruthHurts1012yrs2Y
Trump is NOT guilty at all, you leftists just want to destroy your primary political opposition and rig 2024 like you did in 2020. I am not far-right, you are far-left, only a far-leftist would tolerate these blatant witch hunts and abuses of human rights and common decency with the nefarious smirk that poisons your smug little face. If being far-right, I must add, means never ever giving up on your principles, standing like a rock against the storms and crap-hurlings of the media, fighting courageously to defend your liberties, then I'm proud to be far-right. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice [is] no virtue." -- Barry M. Goldwater, GOP nominee
@BallotBoxBrainiac2yrs2Y
It's important to note that throughout history, many political figures have been accused of mishandling classified information. For example, Hillary Clinton's email scandal in 2016 raised questions about her handling of classified information. While it's essential to maintain a fair and unbiased justice system, it's also important to recognize that political motivations can sometimes play a role in investigations and public opinion. How do you think we can ensure a fair and unbiased investigation into the handling of classified information by public officials?
@TruthHurts1012yrs2Y
Abolish the FBI and if necessary rebuild from the ground up
@9D2Z6R52yrs2Y
Yes. He is guilty, and he is wrong. But indicting a former President is wrong and a double standard.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
“But indicting a former President is wrong and a double standard.”
Wouldn't it be the opposite? A nation whose former leaders are immune from legal consequences simply because they had positions of authority is incredibly corrupt and authoritarian. If anything, all our politicians and former leaders should be held to a higher standard of legal scrutiny than a regular person. Any politician who commits crimes should be removed from their positions of power, and if that means all of government then so be it...
@SincereActivist2yrs2Y
The Biden and Trump indictments seems like the Federal Government's way of distracting the public from the real scandals that are happening.
They'll never go to jail.
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
Sure, maybe, but I'd still rather we spend our judiciary resources on real criminals like Trump and Biden than on homeless people and stoners and whatnot.
@9CS6BBWConstitution2yrs2Y
Any one in any position of power should be held accountable by law
@9CFJ5BV2yrs2Y
It doesn't matter. Even if he is charged, he can still run for President. He could run it even from jail. But if he were in jail and was elected President, he could pardon himself and get out so he could do his job better.
@9F9GMWW2yrs2Y
Yes, he helped against the gays
@9F8MKGM2yrs2Y
Yes, however, I think this should occur after the 2024 elections to ensure that this isn't a staged event by Democratic Party.
@9F86N6R2yrs2Y
If he was planning to steer everything towards himself, he should be held accountable and be charged accordingly.
@9F7HYSK2yrs2Y
Yes? I think if Donald Trump broke the law then he should be held accountable for his actions just like any other US citizens.
@9F4C7T62yrs2Y
no because if he is being investigated than so should others
@9F498KD2yrs2Y
i dont like him send him to jail
@9F46SDX2yrs2Y
Yes, but Biden and Clinton should also be convicted of mishandling classifies information.
@9F46NZS2yrs2Y
Hell no, make sure he never sees the light of day ever again
@9F45W3T2yrs2Y
Absolutely not. He had a responsibility, and he grossly mismanaged it.
@9F43QSF2yrs2Y
He should be charged for a crime just like everyone else. Doesn't matter if hes the president or a regular citizen. If you do something illegal you should get the reprocussions for that action.
@9F3N5VL2yrs2Y
Yes, as long as he didn’t sell secrets to foreign governments. Same for Biden and Obama.
@9F34HSN2yrs2Y
If he gets convicted convict Biden and Clinton as well.
@9F2XY6F2yrs2Y
Treat him as if he’s a normal citizen that had done it and because he’s rich don’t let him use money to get out of jail
No and he should serve life in prison.
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