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@9F89Q7GIndependent 2yrs2Y
Top Disagreement
Guns cause harm. Having more guns in people's hands only increases the chances of gun-caused harm to our children.
@9F9P65M2yrs2Y
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Pencils don't write papers. People write papers. A sane, properly trained teacher with a gun is a very safe and good idea to have in schools for self defense.
@9GGCD4N2yrs2Y
problem with this is by the time the teacher can pull out the gun to to stop the mad-man with agun, some people have probably been hurt, some killed, even. I wouldn't necessarily oppose this measure but there are probably better measures like posting police at schools and doing thorough background checks on people who buy guns.
@9RSWTTMConstitution11mos11MO
The fastest, most effective response time will be from a teacher, who is armed, and well regulated. (Knows how, and can, shoot to kill a man). A well-regulated militia keeps secure the free state. Let the militia, whom are also teachers, keep and bear arms. We can't rely on the police. We couldn't in Columbine, we couldn't in Uvalde. Rely on The Militia, made of The People. Our founders 200 years ago knew this.
@dijonmonkey8mos8MO
#3 Informed Domestic Policy Informed Armed Teachers
It's all about reaction time. When you want to insure the safety of your students, sacrifices have to be made.
@Cuz-I-Know-Stuff6mos6MO
#4 Engaged Domestic Policy Informed Armed Teachers
“doing thorough background checks on people who buy guns.”
We do thorough background checks on people. Most of the time people who commit crimes using them buy guns smuggled into the U.S. by (get this) ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
@9TYJFHK9mos9MO
Uniformed cops will be even slower (more students murdered, on average) than armed teachers.
When **** hits the fan, we need to end it in a manner which maximises survival of the victims. Lethally incapacitating the murderer (or coercing their surrender) sooner results in fewer deaths.
@@1876-Elbert9mos9MO
Yes, but they could stop more from being murdered.
@9YKNJR7 8mos8MO
That would just increase the risk of someone getting hurt. If a teacher has a gun the bad guy might be more likely to get angry and even start shooting.
@9F9K3QK2yrs2Y
A course should be offered and required to pass for all teachers who wish to carry guns. Safe gun control is not a hard thing to understand or abide by.
“A course should be offered and required to pass for all teachers who wish to carry guns.”
Safe gun control seemingly IS a hard thing to understand and abide by- look at what's going on in our country! School shootings are happening left and right. As a student, I am genuinely scared of a school shooting- and if the current, restrictive laws we have right now don't work, how can I trust that this "course" will?
@9RSWTTMConstitution11mos11MO
Yeah, they should qualify on child sized targets, unironically.
But, not being able to hit a target doesn't revoke your right.
@9F9M2XD2yrs2Y
I will feel safer knowing my teacher has a 9mm in the room with me. As long as the teacher went through train background checks and has a safe with a code or a holster to store it. I feel like this will lower the threat of school shooting. I will be honest, the people who say that guns kill aren’t thinking straight. The gun is merely a tool, it’s the one using it that’s the killer. The UK banned guns and then they switch to knifes. So if we are to go by the logic the left side is pushing we should surrender our guns, after it was guns that won this nation form the British. And I say if the government tried to take power like what’s it’s doing now then we have a right to defend ourselves from them. Just as the founding fathers did and that’s why they wrote it in there.
@9GGCD4N2yrs2Y
Banning guns is stupid as **** . I say this as a liberal, and the measures you propose (that being extensive background checks, training, etc...) is something I agree with, though the police would probably do a better job.
@Cuz-I-Know-Stuff6mos6MO
#4 Engaged Domestic Policy Informed Armed Teachers
I never thought that I would ever say this about a liberal but, I agree with you. You are probably the most sane liberals in the world.
@9TYJFHK9mos9MO
Cops are usually worse-trained than personal concealed-carriers.
@9F9PRM22yrs2Y
In my opinion I would feel safer if I knew my teacher had a gun to protect me and my children in the future.
@9F84L342yrs2Y
Teachers and/or students can take that weapon and use it. It's not safe. Having a loaded gun around children is the epitome of stupid.
@@1876-Elbert9mos9MO
Most people who carry a firearm are never going to use it, unless somebody tries to harm somebody else. And what about knives? If you say me just flipping a knife in my hands, would you feel threatened? I would have the opportunity to just slit your throat, but do you think I would? No! The knife is a tool, just as a gun.
@9F8QQWD2yrs2Y
They would likely be carrying concealed, and assuming you require carrying concealed if they do choose to carry, no one would know. Also, this is already a common occurrence with colleges in Texas. Even students can carry guns on college campuses, yet you see no college shootings involving what you state.
There are teachers that absolutely do not have the training and cannot be trusted with weapons in a school, there should be certain armed individuals that are experienced,but not teachers. There could be accidentally discharges that could harm students and in the end it’ll be more devastating than beneficial.
@9FX8CDV2yrs2Y
Yes, and a kid could have knowledge of where the gun is stored and use it on a student or a teacher. It's just not safe because you never know what could happen.
@9TYJFHK9mos9MO
It's hard to steal from an inside-the-waistband holster, assuming that said holster is being worn and concealed.
@9FX8KHK2yrs2Y
The argument is not about forcing teachers to be armed, it is about allowing teachers to be armed. That distinction that you obfuscated is key. No one would carry a firearm if they are not comfortable with it.
Negligent discharges just do not happen if a firearm is carried properly. A firearm (unless it is severely damaged) does not fire unless the trigger is pulled. If carried properly, the trigger cannot be pulled unless the carrier wants it to be pulled.
A teacher has the same Second Amendment rights guaranteeing their right to self-preservation as anyone else. They do not lose those… Read more
@9F7Z7GK2yrs2Y
There is no need for a violent weapon to be in schools. It causes more fear and danger than protection.
@9F8QQWD2yrs2Y
We use guns to protect everything else we believe to be important. Also if the gun were carried concealed like Texas does in college, no one would know, and no one would fear. An armed gunman who's unable to be stopped is a lot scarier than a teacher you trust carrying a gun that you can't see.
@9FTP44CIndependent 2yrs2Y
No, teachers should not be allowed to have guns at school because it could put the students and everyone else at risk because a student or other faculty member could find and it and potentially use it. The teacher that has it could also worry everyone else.
@9FTQFLL2yrs2Y
I agree with this, instead of cutting down school shootings it just makes a way for more of them to happen by giving someone access to a weapon that's already on campus.
@9FV49LC2yrs2Y
Teachers shouldn't be allowed to have gun at school because you never know if even the teachers are trustworthy enough. It's best to have a security guard who is trained and capable of being armed.
@9FVVKZX2yrs2Y
I agree. The school states there are no weapons allowed I think that should go for students and teachers regardless if they are licensed carriers. You never know someone's intentions.
@9FV35592yrs2Y
I feel like only professionals should be able to have them because what if a student takes it and goes bad.
@9GCSKP3 2yrs2Y
The less guns in school, the better. If teachers have a gun, a student could steal it and gain access to it a lot easier then normal. there is also the fact that, teachers can go crazy and kill kids too. Guns in school was the issue, adding more isn't the solution.
@9GCYLCQ2yrs2Y
Adding armed security to school grounds sounds like the best issue, not just one armed security guard but multiple. additionally, they should be trained and over go mental screening before having said position.
@PoliticalLeo_60Green2yrs2Y
Schools are meant to be safe, nurturing environments conducive to learning. The presence of armed guards could potentially create a climate of fear and anxiety. Imagine, for instance, a scenario where a child makes an innocuous but sudden movement and it's misinterpreted as a threat by an overly cautious guard. The consequences could be dire.
@9GCTFCN2yrs2Y
I agree with this statement. More guns is not the answer. The only people on school property that should be allowed access to firearms are police officers or trained security guards
I agree that adding more guns will just cause more issues and make things easier to access. Also if it comes down to it a teacher might have to shoot a kid in order to protect themselves and that is not what you sign up for when you become a teacher. Also most teachers don't know how to operate a gun making it even more unsafe.
@9GCY5FZ2yrs2Y
I agree with this solution a lot, teachers don´t need a gun, their job is to teach, police or guards should carry a gun on school grounds not a teacher in a class room surrounded by children.
@9F7P58N2yrs2Y
If fully trained police officers who carry a weapon for the job, are shooting people wrongfully when feel wrongly threatened, teachers can do it too. Knowing what could happen, and with the natural human instinct of wanting to protect yourself, they might pull the trigger wrongfully and without a proper reason.
@9RSWTTMConstitution11mos11MO
Who cares! Guns should just me more normalized so the chances of pulling the trigger "wrongfully" are even lower. A well-regulated (read PROFICIENT, ARMED) Militia is necessary to the security of a free state. Let the teachers, whom are also militia members (U.S. Citizens who can vote, aren't in prison, the loony bin, on in active military service) practice their RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS.
@9GT5MSY 2yrs2Y
Regardless of whether having guns in the school is more dangerous or even if the teacher is properly trained. Teachers teach. They didn't sign up to potentially have to discharge a firearm at another human being or possibly a child. This isn't something that is fair to expect of them especially given how poorly they are paid.
@9GT6KT52yrs2Y
Yes i completely agree, we should work into preventing school shootings with gun control, better education and a friendlier school environment. We should not expect teacher to have weapons (they should not have them in general at school).
The solution to gun violence is not to hand out more guns, it is to stop the selling of automatic weapons and other unnecessary firearms to the public who have to real use them. If a citizen argues for protection or hunting they can be allowed a handgun or a rifle, if they argue they need a higher tech weapon to hunt they should be advised to find a new hobby. When the framers were writing the constitution they did not anticipate the sale of automatic weapons to the public. They wrote the second amendment in order to allow people living in a time of war with no real military to protect themselves and fight. If every wants to fight for the "second amendment right" they can have a 1700s musket.
@9GT6SDV2yrs2Y
It is important to be prepared for any situation, and with a gun the teacher could effectively save the children from a shooter without sacrificing themselves, or loosing students.
I think the only reasonable way a teacher should fire a gun at a student or other teacher is when either them and or their students are in danger from a possible threat and they need to protect them and other people.
@9F7FSFPIndependent2yrs2Y
Having guns available to people who are not highly trained and knowledgeable about a weapon that can kill people is dangerous and unsafe in schools.
@9FP4ZLP 2yrs2Y
Guns cause harm. Having more guns in people's hands only increases the chances of gun-caused harm to our children.
I am agreeing with them, everything should be done in the country to maintain people's safety, and the state should be very strict in these aspects.
@9FS7FW3Constitution2yrs2Y
Trained and armed teachers have a much faster response time than local police. On average, Police response to active shooters is around 3-5 minutes. A teacher who knows how to use a firearm can end that threat much quicker, as well as the fact that having guns around is a deterrent for any would be terrorists.
@9FS7LCC2yrs2Y
I agree with the statement, I believe that those who are authorized to carry a weapon (police, military, security, etc.) are the only ones who need them in school environments.
@9FNBCZT 2yrs2Y
Arming teachers could potentially be giving easier access to a gun for a child. Considering some teachers might not be safe with their firearms.
@9GBMQNQ 2yrs2Y
Arming teachers won't make the kids in school any safer, I believe that this might increase the risk of danger to them. How do we know what happens in closed doors, and having a gun in an area with kids potentially aged from 4 till 18 should be unacceptable.
@9GBN3GB2yrs2Y
You can't assume teachers are any more stable than the kids they teach. The more guns there are in schools, the more chances there are for misuse of them. A better idea would be to have a few teachers certified to use guns. Then, have a couple of gun safes located in the schools in different areas. In the event of a problem, those certified to use guns, who have had the training, and who hold the keys, can act according to the threat.
@9TYJFHK9mos9MO
“Then, have a couple of gun safes located in the schools in different areas.”
Skip that, and have the certified teachers (probably a few, but ideally as many as are stable and skilled enough) keep the weapons holstered and concealed until needed. That way, they won't need to spend time running to safes, and stolen keys won't enable a massacre.
@9GBNJ8L 2yrs2Y
I agree with this, I think there should be highly trained security around school grounds that will help in times of need. However, guns in areas with underaged kids is not acceptable and does not ensure anyone's safety. If there was a time where the gun accidentally went off, who's to say it wouldn't accidentally harm a kid or the teacher? Guns should not be admissible in an area with kids as it would increase the risk of danger much more and could be more harmful than helpful.
@9FWKFYV 2yrs2Y
Teachers are supposed to be role models for kids while ensuring they are learning and getting an education in a safe environment. When they are armed, the mere presence of guns will turn that into an unsafe space.
@9FWLB9H2yrs2Y
i agree, anytime time a gun is in any presence, fear runs. would students feel safe with a teacher who has a gun. what about a teachers mental health, they probably have issues and no one could know.
@9FWL8QH2yrs2Y
I think a gun inside a school is a contradiction of trying to stop school shootings because it would provide a high risk for school shootings having the firearm on campus.
@9F6YW8Y2yrs2Y
That instead of giving teachers guns they should get highly trained and professional security guards
@9GTDNXM 2yrs2Y
School is not a place for violence, and allowing guns would put too much risk into a school's hands. What would happen if a student got a hold of a firearm? What if the teacher uses it against a student? How will parents feel if they know every teacher has a gun in their classroom? There are too many factors to put into consideration that it isn't worth to allow.
@9GZ6XM7 2yrs2Y
I agree with this statement. To add of this, teachers might not be given sufficient firearm safety training to use their firearms responsibly. Furthermore, the knowledge that there is a gun in the classroom at all times poses a threat to the school as, if someone decided to shoot the school up again, they would know exactly where to go for a suitable weapon. On top of this, if teachers keep their firearm on their person at all times, students could feel less comfortable around teachers, teachers may hurt themselves or someone else in the case of negligent discharge, and they may still be over… Read more
@9GZ2Y4V2yrs2Y
I agree with this statement. Guns are too dangerous even while being in a school operated by an adult.
@9H4LJ722yrs2Y
Teachers should not be able to carry a gun on school grounds or in the classroom. I think the security guards are very capable of carrying a gun and are well trained so that nothing gets out of control and no student holds the firearm and risks accidentally taking the lives of someone or injuring someone very badly. If a student were to get a hold of a firearm, I would assume that their first intention would be to pull the trigger, and shoot something, however, that is extremely unsafe as it can bounce off of an object and injure someone.
@9GKKGDV 2yrs2Y
It is an easy way to kill more children and very easily teaches kids that violence is the answer. It is the exact opposite of gun control and would further lead America into even more violence. Many teachers aren't trained with guns anyways. It also encourages school shooters to kill people because school shooters wouldn't ever fear death, they only care about the killing of other people. Arming teachers in schools is the most shortsighted, brain dead, and evil idea to countering gun violence,
@9GKL7G82yrs2Y
I do not agree with the comment. Keeping teachers or security guards armed will show kids the school is trying to protect them in case of a tragic event such as school shootings.
@9GKLF5V2yrs2Y
violence isnt always the answer. You could reside by asking or telling someone. You dont have to hurt someone for trying to get what u want.
@9GKL5LQ 2yrs2Y
it'll only cause more shootings who says a teacher isnt mentally well or is jus inherently messed up so they do something everyone will regret
@9GKM58X2yrs2Y
I disagree with this comment because teachers shouldn't have guns because they can lose their job if they bring one to school.
@9F6VWJH2yrs2Y
I think schools should hire security that have been trained on gun safety so teachers don't have to worry about having to learn how to use a gun.
@9GFVBNL 2yrs2Y
By having armed teachers just instill more fear in students and can cause more school shooting. If a teacher is racial bias and assumes a person of color has bad intent in the classroom that student is more likley to lose their life. Also this gives teach the power and increases their capability to hurt someone. By having guns in school just increase the harm that can be done. Also "if teachers can have guns why can't students?" this is a question that can be asked and acted on.
@9GFX3Z32yrs2Y
Yes, I agree. No teacher should be armed at school, the same goes for everyone inside the school building. I feel as if it's not safe for students and other staff members in this case, and if there is an armed teacher in the building, that teacher should leave the building and even the school.
@9GFWBKF2yrs2Y
I agree teachers would abuse their power more than they already do and school wouldn't be a safe environment anymore.
I remember a time when we used to trust our educators, when they were pillars of the community. We've lost that trust, haven't we? It seems we've become suspicious, even fearful, of those we entrust with our children's education. But remember, these are the same people who would throw themselves in front of a bullet for their students. Isn't it time we stop letting fear and paranoia govern our schools?
@9F6TJZF2yrs2Y
Assuming that the withholder of the gun is someone with a sound state of mind and is purely only using it for protection, accidents are still possible. Teachers are surrounded by children of all ages on a daily basis. Children should not be in the presence of fire arms
@8W8ZZV6 2yrs2Y
On the top of my head, the access to more guns within a building can be a danger, and the potential for more exposure, the comfort level of teachers and staff of guns being present, and the potential issues with training teachers to safely and responsibly use a gun, and the fact that we haven't even tried to address the fundamental issues of gun access and mental health
@AmbitiousS0cialJustic32yrs2Y
“On the top of my head, the access to more guns within a building can be a danger, and the potential for more exposure, the comfort level of teachers and staff of guns being present, and the potential issues with training teachers to safely and responsibly use a gun, and the fact that we haven't even tried to address the fundamental issues of gun access and mental health”
While your concerns are valid, consider this: in some rural areas, law enforcement response times can be significantly long, which may mean the difference between tragedy and safety during an active shooter situation. In such cases, having a trained, armed staff member could potentially save lives. Now, as for the comfort level and training, isn't it possible for interested staff to undergo rigorous, police-level training to ensure safety and responsibility? This would also tackle the issue of gun access and mental health, as such training usually includes psychological evaluations. What's your take on this approach?
@8W8ZZV62yrs2Y
Well greater spread of funding would be helpful in the police aspect, I do understand the need for safety officers, while I dont like many of the other roles they play, which they should not, on this issue is one of the only cases in which they are a benifit, I dont think for this you need armed teachers. While you could decide teachers who want to be able to do so should, I still think overall the additions of more weapons into the environment isnt a helpful addition. Also I was reffering to gun access and mental health not of teachers but as it pertains generally, mental health being increa… Read more
@AmbitiousS0cialJustic32yrs2Y
“Also I was reffering to gun access and mental health not of teachers but as it pertains generally, mental health being increasingly worse leads to more shooters (often shooters are suicidal and either kill themselves or plan to die during the events)”
An interesting perspective on this might be to consider how our education system could be restructured to prioritize mental health. For instance, in countries like Finland, where schools have full-time mental health professionals and regularly incorporate social-emotional learning into their curriculum, instances of violence are significantly lower. This approach emphasizes preventive measures rather than reactive ones. How do you feel about adopting such a model? Would it be more effective than increasing gun control measures?
@9G9R7L42yrs2Y
I agree with the author but not only having a gun in the building is a danger to the children and the staff.
@NiftyNominee2yrs2Y
Introducing firearms into an educational setting could inadvertently create an environment of fear and anxiety. Additionally, it might divert funds away from much needed educational resources.
@9F6P7RS2yrs2Y
How can students feel safe knowing that teachers have a gun on them, yes it can be for protection but how can we trust that is how they are going to use it for that.
@9FSHY4WPeace and Freedom 2yrs2Y
Top Agreement
School shootings have doubled over the past decade. There are people out there who don't care who they hurt But, if teachers were allowed guns there would be an immediate line of defense against the shooters , which could protect students and decrease attempted attacks.
@9FV3YRV2yrs2Y
Guns cause harm. Having more guns in people's hands only increases the chances of gun-caused harm to our children.
@9FTR5TT2yrs2Y
Not only do teachers and schools have rules in place for school shootings, but having teachers carry guns in a public place like a school with kids can make them feel unsafe or uncomfortable. Having a gun on you will not prevent a school shooting, stricter gun laws will.
@9FVBD7N2yrs2Y
Bringing guns into the school environment will not create a safer place for children. If anything it will make accident more common and likely if you are increasing the number of weapons around children.
@9FTVYMB2yrs2Y
I agree that the school shooting over the past decade is an ongoing problem, but responding with teachers having guns in the classroom could lead to potential accidents. I think a better and compromising alternative would be to have trained guards and security officials defending the school on the outside away from the kids and machinery.
@9GSN7ML 2yrs2Y
Unless a teacher is properly and safely trained to use a firearm, there is a good chance of a teacher causing more harm to their students than good. If a shooter comes into the school, will fire effectively fight fire? If implemented, it could go two ways. One, they kill the shooter, which is good morally but not good on paper. Two, they mess up and cause more trouble then they should’ve, like if they shoot each other or shoot students.
@9G38PRQ 2yrs2Y
Teachers should not have the right to carry guns while teaching, instead the school should hire more trained officers who have the background and training to operate a firearm in the correct way. Also this could have a negative impact on what people see the true meaning of teaching is. A teachers job is to educate kids to the best of their ability on subjects that will help the kids get into a good college setting them up for a bright future. If the teachers carry guns around arming them may distract them from their true core responsibilities.
@9GNRTNQRepublican 2yrs2Y
there has been many times where teachers have got in conflict with students and students with other students. adding a firearm to the class wont help but adding more cops on campus will.
@9GP94FK2yrs2Y
Agree, what if one day they are in a bad mood? This could escalate really fast, they might be going through something, and people could be harmed. Not all teachers are kind and responsible.
@9GNS9NV2yrs2Y
I agree, teachers should never have a weapon or something can kill a student because it would make them scared to even be in the classroom. However with extra police officers, or SRO's, I would feel safer from a potential school shooter.
I think security guards without lethal weapons on campus would help. It could deter attacks in schools.
@9GNSMTM2yrs2Y
The idea of arming teachers—or loosening state restrictions to allow concealed-carry permit holders to bring guns into schools—is often circulated after school attacks. It gained attention after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in New town, Conn., in 2012 and was revived in the wake of the 2018
@9GKCDQM 2yrs2Y
I would say that if teachers are willing they should have the right to be aided by the school system in providing defense for their students. Especially in schools that are high-risk, this could save students lives, and dissuade potential shooters from armed attacks.
@JackPoliticalProgressive 2yrs2Y
There are many issues with the argument for arming teachers in schools. Firstly, ignoring the practicality of teachers potentially preventing shootings, it would be too expensive to provide teachers with the firearms, ammo, and training necessary to be useful in active shooter situations, especially with an already and continually dwindling budget.
Secondly, how would the firearm be stored? If it is on the body, smaller teachers could be overpowered, but if it is in a safe or desk locked with a key, will the teacher be able to react fast enough to unlock, load, and be ready to engage in a fast… Read more
@9GKDB3T2yrs2Y
Not everyone can be trusted with a gun. Enforcing a policy where teacher need to have a gun with them while teaching means they need psychological tests, or some sort of way to know that they can be trusted with carrying a firearm around dozens of children for 6 hours a day, making the process for hiring teacher even more difficult while more teachers are badly needed.
@9GKD6Y62yrs2Y
Guns carried by teachers could easily fall into the hands of one of the students, providing them a weapon to kill others.
@9GKD8Y72yrs2Y
I think that only some teachers should have access not all but they should all be trained with how to use them.
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