On October 7, 2013 California Governor Jerry Brown signed a state bill prohibiting law-enforcement officials from detaining an individual on the basis of a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold after that person becomes eligible for release, unless he or she has been charged with or convicted of certain crimes, including violent felonies.
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@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No
@9FQLH8PRepublican 2yrs2Y
There's no other way to resolve illegal immigration crisis. We need to stop them at the boarder, and detain and deport those who enter the country illegally.
@B3PYBGWWomen’s Equality6mos6MO
Not all immigrants have committed harsh crimes and they should be able to choose where they live and have peace and freedom and not have to worry every day and every second if it will be the last time that they ever see their loved ones again.
they're people just like us, we may be different colors but we are still the same. and the government takes too long to review any request to enter legal. some people have to wait 15 years to be accepted.
@B6G9NWQ1mo1MO
They also are not criminals are are just trying to lead a normal life to help provide for their families. According to a report published by the Center for Migration Studies, 69% of all immigrants in the U.S. workforce and 74% of undocumented workers are employed in jobs considered "essential critical infrastructure", compared to 65% of the native-born workforce. This suggests immigrants are more likely to work in jobs that are crucial to the country's function, many of which may be deemed undesirable by others.
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
Yes, all illegal immigrants should be turned over to federal authorities and deported
@B6NCX22Independent 2wks2W
Not EVERY illegal immigrant should be turned over to the federal authorities and deported because not every illegal immigrant commits crimes or is only here to live life on easy mode. The majority of immigrants are here to work only to have a better life or to provide a better life to their kids, it was only when Biden had an open border policy that we saw illegal immigrants (especially Venezuelans, unfortunately, since I myself am one) commit crimes and it wasn't all of them, it was just a few one of them. It just feels like we are turning the blame towards illegal immigrants for everyt… Read more
@B6NH2DH2wks2W
In a way I agree with your statement, as someone who has immigrant relatives I am aware of the few bad ones who come to this country and do nothing but stain the name of immigrants in a bad light. However, I believe that it is not because they are immigrants that they act the way they do, but rather are just that way whether they're illegal or not and because of racism people tend to point the blame that they are illegal is the cause of crimes. I definitely agree with the fact that many immigrants come here for a better life and as someone who has seen this dream come true and is now being ripped away is something so sad that no human should have to deal with.
@B6QMDRL2wks2W
“Not EVERY illegal immigrant should be turned over to the federal authorities and deported because not every illegal immigrant commits crimes”
"not every illegal immigrant commits crimes" is self contradictory. You broke the nations law (commiting a crime) by improperly enting the country. Correct me if i am wrong.
@9G9TKYF2yrs2Y
Not all immigrants are involved with crime and are only looking for new opportunities to support their families and themselves. Instead, they should provide fair trial and investigation to then consider whether or not they should be deported, and if not, they should get a chance to live in America because they haven't done anything wrong but work hard and hope for a better future.
@NationalGuy47 8mos8MO
“Not all immigrants are involved with crime and are only looking for new opportunities to support their families and themselves.”
all illegal are most certainly involved with crime because coming here illegally is a crime, and that is not supporting their families by doing illegal stuff.
@B4HSPC25mos5MO
If you live in the US, someone in your bloodline was an immigrant. Who cares how they got there, a person is a person, and should be allowed to live.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
Back then, immigration was more controlled. Now, it has gotten out of hand. Green card holders are legally here though not legal citizens yet. It's the ones who don't even apply for a residency we need to deport. Also the ones who don't provide us with any labor or economic contribution need to go.
@9FQ6Y662yrs2Y
1. It is a practical impossibility to deport millions of people.
2. If it were possible, it would be ruinously expensive.
3. If possible and affordable, it would be inhumane to break up families, to disrupt peaceable people who contribute to our society, to return people to countries where they have no/weak ties and may be unable to speak the language or find a job, to deport people who themselves did not break the law because they were brought here as children, to dump people into dangerous circumstances due to crime or living conditions.
4. We have a treaty obligation to permit those seekin… Read more
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No, only if they are convicted of a violent crime
@B6NCX22Independent 2wks2W
The majority of immigrants are here to work only to have a better life or to provide a better life to their kids, it was only when Biden had an open border policy that we saw illegal immigrants (especially Venezuelans, unfortunately, since I myself am one) commit crimes and it wasn't all of them, it was just a few one of them. It just feels like we are turning the blame towards illegal immigrants for everything when 99% of us are here to work.
@B6SJBV85 days5D
Most of the immigrants that come to this country arrive just to give their family a better life, they pay taxes and contribute to the economy by attending their job, yet several are deported just because they were not born in this land and not due to any crime commited.
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No, too many non-violent immigrants are being deported
@9FQ6Y662yrs2Y
It is largely our own actions which have created the "border crisis." Above, I noted the ways in which we created conditions in "source" countries which have led to the migrations we're seeing. Also, we haven't properly funded immigration courts so that they can act on cases expeditiously. When someone lives in this country for years waiting for a court date, it should not be surprising that removing them at this point would be hugely disruptive to the deported person, his/her family, and often his/her US community. None of that is the fault of the immigrants.
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@9G4ZXCZ2yrs2Y
Why would America want to ban potential citizens from our beloved country? if our country was originally brought up my immigrants why is the country all of a sudden against it?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
We aren't against immigration, we're against ILLEGAL immigration. Get your facts straight! Immigration can be done legally, but they're doing it ILLEGALLY.
@B6QMD4C2wks2W
Giving the government too much power has shown that legal immigrants and non-violent illegal immigrants have also been deported with the 2nd Trump administration being an example. Additionally, there is overwhelming evidence that illegal immigrants commit lesser crimes than native born Americans.
@B6LWCLJ3wks3W
solo digo que no saquen a las personas que no hacen nada malo que solo vienen a ganarse la vida y no cometen errores.
@9TNCM4512mos12MO
Yes, the punishment for illegal immigration should be execution.
A one week amnesty chance where they will simply be deported to their country of origin first. Should they not take this benevolent opportunity, a few executions to show we're serious should be enough to convince most to leave of their own accord. Exceptions for victims of human trafficking, where deportation is acceptable.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution12mos12MO
Execute human traffickers, gang leaders, and drug cartel members as examples – draw and quarter them and put their heads on spears in public places. If we want to stop crime, we have to be willing to do what it takes to stop crime. We must strike terror into criminals' hearts and show them we mean business
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
Only if you can prove they've actually killed someone. If not, then death is never justified.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
We should build a giant wall on the southern border and put sniper towers on it! Like a prison, think of Mexico as a big prison, we gotta keep them border hoppers from hopping our border.
@8MCNGGC5yrs5Y
I think that it is only fair for illegal immigrants involved in minor crimes to be referred to authorities.
@9GZDTYYIndependent2yrs2Y
Yes, local law enforcement should be allowed to transfer immigrants to federal immigration authorities no matter what crime if they were found to be illegal
@9H4V8MF2yrs2Y
No, only if convicted of a violent crime. Law enforcement should have the ability to report to the federal government but not detain them
@Brandonnoe84Libertarian 8mos8MO
Yes, illegal immigrants should be handed over to federal authorities and deported but there should be a simple path to citizenship for illegal immigrants with no criminal record.
@9DYQYY7Libertarian 2yrs2Y
If someone commits a crime which falls under State jurisdiction due to it's nature, then it should be handled by the State. If it is a federal crime, then it should be prosecuted by the federal government. But a persons immigration status, while it can be a federal offense, should have no impact on the fair trial or treatment of the accused simply.
@AnteaterLaylaRepublican2yrs2Y
Would you then suggest a different approach for local law enforcement when they encounter individuals with uncertain immigration status? Or do you believe that the existing systems in place adequately address this issue?
@8NKN2475yrs5Y
Sometimes these immigrants dont have the money to buy themselves essentials and if they really need it they should have a bit of compassion
@NationalGuy47 8mos8MO
by letting them do illegal things??? thats not really compassion.
@B5SP8JR3mos3MO
The illegality of their immigration is another issue than what they are there for, consider where they are in the citizenship process
@8LQTFM75yrs5Y
I think "deported" is a strong word and they should be put in jail like everyone else.
@8LR3WX9Constitution5yrs5Y
Crime-committing illegal immigrants should be detained and deported, however, make it official with the entire deported's family on which country they need to choose to stay in for the rest of their citizenship
@9FK25GX2yrs2Y
No and abolish the police and ICE
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
Okay, ICE I can understand, but destroying the police without drastic social changes we’d be unprepared. Work to make the police force less on the violent side, replace some of them with social workers and reduce qualified immunity. Lord needs to be done, but cold abolition is a really bad idea right now.
it depends on the crime if it causes mental problems to the victim in the future then yes if not then they should have mandatory community service but in the case of a violent crime then they should be convicted
@8LS2JK95yrs5Y
Yes, as they are not citizens here they should be more aware of their actions.
@8XGV79M4yrs4Y
Yes, if its either that or they agree to become a citizen.
@8VRZZFSIndependent4yrs4Y
Yes, but give the choice of deportation or make them get citizenship.
@8S7HL374yrs4Y
@8LSMGD65yrs5Y
Illegal immigrants should work towards gaining their citizenship. This is a hard process, but in order to live in this country one should have legal citizenship. However, one cannot come into this country illegally and expect to get away with minor crimes. They should be punished justly according to the constitution, this may include deportation. However, it is a definite deportation for larger crimes, or a higher punishment for crimes such as rape or murder.
@93TZ24B3yrs3Y
Yes but stop targeting just hispanics
@8WWR9F24yrs4Y
No, only if they are convicted of a violent crime, and too many non-violent immigrants are being deported
@8RTYJ644yrs4Y
yes, but only if they commit a crime
@B6RYMF21wk1W
They should only be transferred if it is a violent or major crime. There should a "warning " system.
@B6RPQP51wk1W
Yes, only after being formally charged and formally convicted of the minor crime, and then only after they have been formally charged with a criminal immigration offense.
@B6RNKRC1wk1W
No, only if the crime is extremely violent and severe. The lines for this must be very clearly established to not abuse loopholes.
@B6RMRW41wk1W
Only applicable if the crime is committed only for necessary survival, nothing more, nothing less, other than that I agree with this stance.
@B6RKZJD1wk1W
Yes, detaining is an option. But deportation for minor offenses is likely unnecessary. Let a judge decide.
@B6RKV9F1wk1W
I think they should if violent crimes are committed and no as well because many non violent immigrants are being deported.
Law enforcement should only detain illegal immigrants if they are harming other indaviduals, not if they are "illegal".
@B6RKPHR1wk1W
If the immigrants are just committing crimes after crimes and trying not to turn their lives around, then yes. If they are turning their lives around, then no.
@B6RJGTZ1wk1W
No, law enforcement is being too subjective and abusing their power (it's turning more into racial profiling out of fear rather than a public safety and society concern as far as illegal citizens)
@B6RHT4L1wk1W
They should be deported back to their country instead of having the federal immigration authorities deal with it.
@B6RFTD91wk1W
No, although still immigrants I see that immigrants also contribute to the work-force in the USA. and deporting them needlessly can hurt the economic growth of people with jobs. They should be offered at least partial/timely citizen rights, pay taxes and then should be allowed to buy citizenship-passes on their own.
@B6RFTC81wk1W
if it was super minor just give them community service, otherwise if it's worse like stealing or murder just deport them into prison from their country.
@B6RFQGVRepublican1wk1W
No, only if they are convicted of a violent crime, because too many non-violent immigrants are being deported.
@B6RF6S71wk1W
Im neutral, i would only say don't send them as long as they are non violent and the place they are coming from is extremely dangerous.
@B6R8FQV1wk1W
It can depend on specific variables, such as the exact crimes and their status in citizenship obtainment.
@B6R4NFH1wk1W
They should not be allowed because it is against the constitution and completely off limits and against basic human rights. Whether the person is illegal or not, color should not be the reason they are being detained for a minor crime that a white citizen is committing too. There should not be a supremacy and yet our country is steering away from cultural aspects and that is creating unthinkable outcomes and the fear of a humans life.
@B6R4H7Y1wk1W
Yes, but they should be given fair trial first and if found not guilty then they are to be returned to normal life.
@B6QYZ721wk1W
I believe that they shouldn't be deported. I think illegals should be given green cards while being forced to become a citizen if caught doing a crime.
@B6QXRJR1wk1W
They should only be turned over if it was a purposeful crime, or they keep accidentally committing crimes and they make little to no effort to learn.
@B6QVNWX1wk1W
The illegal immigrants who are nonviolent crime shouldn't be deported because we need them in some areas for work.
@B6QTYZY1wk1W
for non-violent crimes they should be transfered but more for help , I think the immigration system is very corrupt and should be fixed though.
why must they go to immigration services that will quite literally treat them as if they are a slave? throw them in a us based jail.
It really depends on the crime. All people make mistakes, not just immigrants. Depending on how severe the crime is should determine whether or not they should be transferred to the immigration authorities.
@B6QFGZM2wks2W
although immigration control like ICE and more are a major problem so is immigration itself, I don't think minor offense warrant removing a decent human being trying to find better life from other countries like Mexico, no one has earn citizenship but our founding fathers and family before us so why should we decide who is legal and who is not when the root cause is to find better life
@B6QDG2W2wks2W
they should be tried and given a fair chance if innocent they should be allowed to file for citizenship
If they are harming others or our country then yes but if they are contributing to our economy and are tax paying then they should be allowed to stay.
@B6QC65H2wks2W
I think everyone should be detained for crimes (only if they need to be) but nobody should be deported
@B6Q9JY42wks2W
I say no because there are some that are over here working and trying to make a better life for themselves.
@B6Q7P9YWomen’s Equality2wks2W
I think that they should get deported if they did a crime like stealing,killing or rapping, driving under the influence of alcohol and other. but I don't think they should get detained just because they came illegal to the United States.
@B6Q7M76Republican2wks2W
It depends on the “minor crime”. It should be something at least somewhat substantial otherwise we open the doors to abuse and discrimination against certain races. But yes, If detained enforcement should be allowed to transfer them.
@B6Q6CC52wks2W
no but if the minor crime is something that cost or could have costed some else's life then i guess.
@B6Q6BXB2wks2W
If they committed a crime yes but if they were just discovered to be an illegal immigrant there should be agency’s that help them become a citizen.
@B6Q69X62wks2W
talking bout sum minor crimes I bet they didn't do nothing wrong they are just abusing their power to the fullest and I hate it that's why they wear mask because they know what they do and how they do it is wrong
@B6PYLSN2wks2W
No, only if they are convicted of a dangerous crime and also to many non-violent immigrants are being deported.
@B6PXTPF2wks2W
Everyone should be detained for equal reasons, if a legal citizen wouldn't be detained for it, neither should the immigrants.
@B6PTCYFIndependent2wks2W
All persons on U.S. soil are entitled to a fair and legal trial, regardless of the crime and whether they are a citizen or not.
@B6PQ3DZRepublican2wks2W
Illegal immigrants should get full extent of law no constitutional rights death penalty a required option
@B6PP3GG2wks2W
They are already, Illegal immigrents, if they come through legally, and become citizens there is no deportation needed, but less government involvement would help greatly making becoming a legal citizen much easier
@B6PN42X2wks2W
If we find an illegal immigrate with a very illegitimate background yes, otherwise we should direct them to proper resources
@B6PMZZ52wks2W
for bigger crimes like murder, arsan, and major robbery, but not when it involves food or basic medication. the smaller crimes should only punish them minorly.
It would depend on the crime they did because I think mostly when they get a crime it because they cross the boarder
@B6PL3QD2wks2W
If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in the United States, they should be punished accordingly and given a chance to be granted citizenship.
@B6PH96H2wks2W
I think if they are coming here illegally and already trying to cause problems in a country they aren't from they should definitely get some type of punishment but I feel like deporting is a big step
I'd say it depends, but really, no one should be here illegally at all. It's unfair to those who wait 10-20 years.
@B6PF7C5Republican2wks2W
If the immigrant has resided in the United States for 2 years or more they should be allowed to stay without penalty. If they commit a crime they should be transferred back to the place they came from.
Yes, only if a background check is done. If the immigrant(s) are clean, then they may freely enter the state;s if they contain any drug, human trafficking, or weapon-related charges, then they must be detained, transferred to federal immigration authorities, and then deported
@B6PCL5G2wks2W
It really is at the officer's discretion, and if the crime results in physical or mental harm to the victim, then they should be turned over to ICE, but after due process.
@B6PCH5W2wks2W
Only if the immigrant has the right to due process and after their hearing determined that the crime commited is offensive enough to take action such as federal immigration authorites then, it would be just to do so. But given that most immigrants have not had access to the right of due process this question does not mention those who were wrongfully transfered to federal authorites just becasue of the fact they are illegal.
@B6P8X9J2wks2W
Yes if they decide to come here and break the rules then they should face the consequences; however, if they are law abiding then they should not be treated as criminals
@B6P69GT2wks2W
No, immigrants should be given the option to be given aid for the process of receiving citizenship if they wish to refuse said aid than humane deportation is the best route.
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