On October 7, 2013 California Governor Jerry Brown signed a state bill prohibiting law-enforcement officials from detaining an individual on the basis of a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold after that person becomes eligible for release, unless he or she has been charged with or convicted of certain crimes, including violent felonies.
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@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No
@9FQLH8PRepublican 2yrs2Y
There's no other way to resolve illegal immigration crisis. We need to stop them at the boarder, and detain and deport those who enter the country illegally.
@B4SZQNT 3mos3MO
It costs about over $10,000 on average to deport a single person. About 45% of all illegal immigrants entered legally. Illegal immigrants are about 37% less likely to commit violent crime than US-born citizens.
@B4HSPC23mos3MO
A lot of people in the US immigrate illegally. Honestly, it doesn't affect anybody negatively for the most part. People need to leave immigrants alone.
@B3PYBGWWomen’s Equality4mos4MO
Not all immigrants have committed harsh crimes and they should be able to choose where they live and have peace and freedom and not have to worry every day and every second if it will be the last time that they ever see their loved ones again.
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
Yes, all illegal immigrants should be turned over to federal authorities and deported
@9G9TKYF2yrs2Y
Not all immigrants are involved with crime and are only looking for new opportunities to support their families and themselves. Instead, they should provide fair trial and investigation to then consider whether or not they should be deported, and if not, they should get a chance to live in America because they haven't done anything wrong but work hard and hope for a better future.
@NationalGuy47 5mos5MO
“Not all immigrants are involved with crime and are only looking for new opportunities to support their families and themselves.”
all illegal are most certainly involved with crime because coming here illegally is a crime, and that is not supporting their families by doing illegal stuff.
@B4HSPC23mos3MO
If you live in the US, someone in your bloodline was an immigrant. Who cares how they got there, a person is a person, and should be allowed to live.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
Back then, immigration was more controlled. Now, it has gotten out of hand. Green card holders are legally here though not legal citizens yet. It's the ones who don't even apply for a residency we need to deport. Also the ones who don't provide us with any labor or economic contribution need to go.
@9FQ6Y662yrs2Y
1. It is a practical impossibility to deport millions of people.
2. If it were possible, it would be ruinously expensive.
3. If possible and affordable, it would be inhumane to break up families, to disrupt peaceable people who contribute to our society, to return people to countries where they have no/weak ties and may be unable to speak the language or find a job, to deport people who themselves did not break the law because they were brought here as children, to dump people into dangerous circumstances due to crime or living conditions.
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@B3TKTC94mos4MO
THEY ARE PEOPLE!!??? You're going to send them back to a warzone or something because they haven't filled out the correct paperwork? Why don't we just make them fill out the paperwork instead of deporting them and likely separating them from friends and family members. Who cares if they broke a clerical law by not registering correctly - it's hard to become a citizen! Does no one else have empathy???
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No, too many non-violent immigrants are being deported
@9FQ6Y662yrs2Y
It is largely our own actions which have created the "border crisis." Above, I noted the ways in which we created conditions in "source" countries which have led to the migrations we're seeing. Also, we haven't properly funded immigration courts so that they can act on cases expeditiously. When someone lives in this country for years waiting for a court date, it should not be surprising that removing them at this point would be hugely disruptive to the deported person, his/her family, and often his/her US community. None of that is the fault of the immigrants.
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@9G4ZXCZ2yrs2Y
Why would America want to ban potential citizens from our beloved country? if our country was originally brought up my immigrants why is the country all of a sudden against it?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
We aren't against immigration, we're against ILLEGAL immigration. Get your facts straight! Immigration can be done legally, but they're doing it ILLEGALLY.
@B4HS9PN3mos3MO
If the country was originally funded by immigrants why should new immigrants not be allowed the right to become a part of our contry
@9TNCM4510mos10MO
Yes, the punishment for illegal immigration should be execution.
A one week amnesty chance where they will simply be deported to their country of origin first. Should they not take this benevolent opportunity, a few executions to show we're serious should be enough to convince most to leave of their own accord. Exceptions for victims of human trafficking, where deportation is acceptable.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution10mos10MO
Execute human traffickers, gang leaders, and drug cartel members as examples – draw and quarter them and put their heads on spears in public places. If we want to stop crime, we have to be willing to do what it takes to stop crime. We must strike terror into criminals' hearts and show them we mean business
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
Only if you can prove they've actually killed someone. If not, then death is never justified.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
We should build a giant wall on the southern border and put sniper towers on it! Like a prison, think of Mexico as a big prison, we gotta keep them border hoppers from hopping our border.
@8MCNGGC5yrs5Y
I think that it is only fair for illegal immigrants involved in minor crimes to be referred to authorities.
@9GZDTYYIndependent2yrs2Y
Yes, local law enforcement should be allowed to transfer immigrants to federal immigration authorities no matter what crime if they were found to be illegal
@9DYQYY7Libertarian 2yrs2Y
If someone commits a crime which falls under State jurisdiction due to it's nature, then it should be handled by the State. If it is a federal crime, then it should be prosecuted by the federal government. But a persons immigration status, while it can be a federal offense, should have no impact on the fair trial or treatment of the accused simply.
@AnteaterLaylaRepublican2yrs2Y
Would you then suggest a different approach for local law enforcement when they encounter individuals with uncertain immigration status? Or do you believe that the existing systems in place adequately address this issue?
@8NKN2475yrs5Y
Sometimes these immigrants dont have the money to buy themselves essentials and if they really need it they should have a bit of compassion
@NationalGuy47 5mos5MO
by letting them do illegal things??? thats not really compassion.
@9H4V8MF2yrs2Y
No, only if convicted of a violent crime. Law enforcement should have the ability to report to the federal government but not detain them
@B5SP8JR4wks4W
The illegality of their immigration is another issue than what they are there for, consider where they are in the citizenship process
@Brandonnoe84Libertarian 6mos6MO
Yes, illegal immigrants should be handed over to federal authorities and deported but there should be a simple path to citizenship for illegal immigrants with no criminal record.
@8LQTFM75yrs5Y
I think "deported" is a strong word and they should be put in jail like everyone else.
@8LR3WX9Constitution5yrs5Y
Crime-committing illegal immigrants should be detained and deported, however, make it official with the entire deported's family on which country they need to choose to stay in for the rest of their citizenship
@9FK25GX2yrs2Y
No and abolish the police and ICE
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
Okay, ICE I can understand, but destroying the police without drastic social changes we’d be unprepared. Work to make the police force less on the violent side, replace some of them with social workers and reduce qualified immunity. Lord needs to be done, but cold abolition is a really bad idea right now.
it depends on the crime if it causes mental problems to the victim in the future then yes if not then they should have mandatory community service but in the case of a violent crime then they should be convicted
@8LS2JK95yrs5Y
Yes, as they are not citizens here they should be more aware of their actions.
@8XGV79M4yrs4Y
Yes, if its either that or they agree to become a citizen.
@8VRZZFSIndependent4yrs4Y
Yes, but give the choice of deportation or make them get citizenship.
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@8LSMGD65yrs5Y
Illegal immigrants should work towards gaining their citizenship. This is a hard process, but in order to live in this country one should have legal citizenship. However, one cannot come into this country illegally and expect to get away with minor crimes. They should be punished justly according to the constitution, this may include deportation. However, it is a definite deportation for larger crimes, or a higher punishment for crimes such as rape or murder.
@93TZ24B3yrs3Y
Yes but stop targeting just hispanics
@8TYP4H54yrs4Y
Yes but give them a fair trial
@8RTYJ644yrs4Y
yes, but only if they commit a crime
@ka'a'awa-54Constitution 2 days2D
YES... but only under a constitutionally constrained, due-process-respecting, and clearly defined legal framework that preserves civil liberties, limits abuse, and aligns with federalism.
There is much room for abuse in this case. "Minor crimes" could be trumped up charges specifically to transfer them to ICE. Profiling would most likely happen of every brown citizen, regardless if they committed a crime or not. Currently, ICE is not providing due process, they are just labeling everybody turned over to them as "criminals".
@B5YRMHCLibertarian5 days5D
I believe that we should have secure borders, but the people that are contributing to society in our country should not be attacked at this high rate
@B5Y825BIndependent1wk1W
I believe local law enforcement should focus on community safety, not immigration enforcement. Allowing them to detain illegal immigrants for minor crimes and transfer them to federal immigration authorities can create fear and distrust in immigrant communities. This can make people less likely to report crimes or cooperate with police, which actually makes neighborhoods less safe. Serious crimes should be handled appropriately, but using local police for immigration enforcement—especially for minor offenses—can lead to unfair treatment and racial profiling. It’s important to keep a clear line between public safety and immigration policy.
@B5WDD242wks2W
Yes, after an accumulated amount of minor nonviolent crimes like speeding and immediately for any violent offense or offense with a victim
@B5TXC78Independent 3wks3W
Yes but for serious crimes and crimes that involve the possibility of injure or death to another person.
@B5TR88T3wks3W
Yes. However misdemeanors that it is abnormal to have enforcement (and ones resulting in a innocent verdict) should be exempted.
@B5TJ2883wks3W
Regardless, we should ban immigration globally from not just any nation, but to any region in the world
@B5TF9RS3wks3W
No, only if the minor crime carries a prison sentence that would allow the police to detain the person regardless of their immigration status.
@B5T6WQ6 3wks3W
No, only if they are convicted of a violent crime. Immigration enforcement officials should focus on processing and deporting violent offenders first. Processing and deporting nonviolent offenders will take away capabilities to process violent offenders.
@B5SH7YZ 4wks4W
No, only is they are convicted of a violent crime; too many non-violent immigrants are being deported.
@B5S69QZ4wks4W
Yes, but they should not be a high priority, despite the LA riots. In fact the rioters should have higher priority (and they do).
@B5RYLRV4wks4W
First of all, the law enforcement should provide evidence that shows whether the immigrant is illegal or not!
@B5M34D71mo1MO
They should be transferred to immigration authorities, who simultaneously oversee their punishment for their respective crime, and their status as an immigrant
@B5LPDLN1mo1MO
Yes, but after they have finished serving their sentence and impeach Trump for deporting them without a hearing
Detention of persons commiting a crime should be applied equally per applicable local law. No special consideration for immigration status.
@B5DS4VG2mos2MO
Yes, but this should not be used as an excuse to ostracize legal imagrants or harass law abiding minorities.
@B5DCZZZ2mos2MO
No only if it’s violent. Anyone here illegally should be added to a registry and given a certain amount of time to begin legal citizenship or leave the country. If that is not followed then deported.
@B59YCPC2mos2MO
yes, minor crimes are still crimes but no, transferring them to immigration authorities is too much.
@B56HWZR2mos2MO
depends that could be a clear sign they were a criminal or something bad in the country they immigrated from.
@B53BRSK2mos2MO
All illegal Immigrants should be checked to see if they are eligible for citizenship, and then applied after further review.
@B5373LV2mos2MO
they should be enforced the same way they are to every other citizen, but wether they did certain crimes, they will be punished for doing so
@B4W3XX33mos3MO
Generally, local law enforcement is not mandated to detain undocumented immigrants for minor crimes and transfer them to federal immigration authorities
@B4VYWC73mos3MO
No, if they want to leave let them if not make them become a legal citizen and they can go through due process
@B4VPNZS3mos3MO
They must be vetted and documented. If they pose no risk to the public AND are willing to apply to be a resident, then they can stay. If not, they must go.
@B4VNJPW3mos3MO
I think they should just be sent to jail, not deported. There is a reason why they came over to the United States.
@B4T8WC53mos3MO
Law enforcement should detain illegal immigrants under security reasons. However, it doesn't excuse the use of force like firearms should the immigrant in question be unarmed.
@B4QPLJS3mos3MO
Yes, but only after creating a simplified path to citizenship for immigrants with no criminal record
@B4PPZ9H3mos3MO
If they commit any crime, that should always be grounds for deportation, but if they have a clean record, and don’t commit crimes and just work hard then no
@B4MLZLP3mos3MO
A person regardless of their stance on citizenship should only be prosecuted for the crime initially detained for.
@B4LXM5Z3mos3MO
Yes I feel that illegal immigrants should be turned over to federal authorities but they should not be deported and should help get a green card instead is they have done nothing illegal.
@B4LQ55KRepublican3mos3MO
Officers should be able to use their discretion in situations like this. The should be allowed but not for minor offenses.
@B4LGTZ73mos3MO
We should set a deadline for all illegal immigrants to become legal and if they fail to meet that deadline, they get deported.
@B4LGBDT3mos3MO
Yes, but if they have legal income and/or property; they should be given the chance to take a citizenship test to determine whether or not they should be deported or made a legal citizen
@B4KW59S3mos3MO
I believe yes they should but that's only if they commit a violent crime and or proven of crime back from their original home,but I don't support illegal immigration but I also don't support deportation either.
@B4KS6TJ3mos3MO
For minor crimes, detain them for a little bit like you would a normal citizen of the USA. If they are armed and showing signs of aggression, or if they do something resulting in potential life-threatening damage, detain or deport if necessary, depending on the seriousness of the crime. but judge them like you would a regular citizen of the United States, and give them a fair trial.
@B4KK5WM3mos3MO
For minor crimes, I do not think they should be turned over if they are pursuing citizenship. If they are not pursuing citizenship then, I think this should be allowed.
@B4KFKZM3mos3MO
If they are a productive individual, then allow them to get a visa and a fine, if they are not productive, then they should be deported but not barred from entry into the u.s.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican 3mos3MO
Yes, and all illegal immigrants who aren't giving us cheap labor needs to be turned over to federal authorities and deported
@B4KD7863mos3MO
Yes, if they do not pay taxes and they come from a country where they could have easily applied through the legal immigration process first
@B4KD6RL3mos3MO
Only if they are convicted of a violent crime and no too many non-violent immigrants are being deported.
@B4KB8MW3mos3MO
Elevating a minor crime to accusation of immigration seem like a little too far. I feel that they should be at least given a fair trial and if they are found guilty, then they can be transferred to federal immigration authorities.
@B4K5K9H3mos3MO
Yes, should be arrested for any crime that is a serious offense, i.e some hurt/killed or drug related
@B4JPG433mos3MO
I think that they should be given the chance to become citizens while living here. Especially if they've been here for a long time. If they are working, paying taxes, and NOT COMMITTING CRIMES, they should be given the FREE education to become a citizen.
@B4JP75Z3mos3MO
If there is no backed evidence of attempted Naturalization, Federal immigration authorities have command.
@B4JMKDK3mos3MO
Hard Working Illegal immigrants should be given a pass to stay like what Ronald Reagan did with the Reform and control act
@B4JLBTHLibertarian3mos3MO
I believe they should be held accountable for there crimes but as anyone else that is a citizen. they are human just as we are if the crime is little then it should not be charged at a federal level.
@B4JJBPM3mos3MO
I think they should look into the background of the person to see if they have any bad history and go from there
@B4J3CF23mos3MO
It depends on if they are convicted off of fair trial and have justified checking of if they do have citizenship.
@B4J2MQV3mos3MO
Although illegal immigration is not necessarily good, the laws preventing immigration cheaply and quickly are also not good, so there needs to be a balance.
@B4HZVK93mos3MO
If there is proper evidence of them doing the violent crime, deport them. If they did a minor crime, give them a fine.
@B4HJ9JP3mos3MO
if they are going to court, the fact that they are illigal should be found out in court and the judge should make the decision.
@B4HH2BDIndependent3mos3MO
if they are caught doing a crime and they go to court their illegal status should be discovered and at that point a judge could make the decision
@B4HF6DH3mos3MO
yes they can be detained and transfer to a higher authority only if they have committed a very serious crime
@B4HBNWW3mos3MO
They should be detained for their crimes however directly handing them over to immigration authorities is questionable.
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