Gender identity is defined as a personal conception of oneself as male, female, both, or neither. In 2014, President Obama signed an executive order barring discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity among federal contractors. The order covered employers who perform federal work and protected an estimated 20 percent of American workers. Opponents included religious groups, who argued that the order would prevent them from receiving federal money or contracts if they could not meet the new guidelines because of their beliefs. Proponents argue that the order was nece…
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@ISIDEWITH9yrs9Y
Yes
@9FB8XQ52yrs2Y
Majority of people who go through with having a different Gender Identity are 9/10 much more happier with themselves than they were way before they changed their identity. Removal of the right for people to change their Gender Identity will only make them much more upset and slip into a deeper depression than before, leading them to become suicidal in the end and things will spiral downwards. Basically it's just a whole, Gender identity is fine because these people aren't hurting anyone for being who they are.
@74YLG5W8mos8MO
They are being asked the wrong question.
The most important question they should be asked 20-30-50yrs down the road is "Was it worth it?".
Of course they are happier in the short term.
Bodybuilders who use steroids are instantly much happier with themselves that they were before using steroids. The positive effects to their body image are euphoric. However, following up with them decades later, most are likely to say the negative side effects to their health and lifespan were not worth the short term positive effects to their body image.
We are way too early in this experiment to know the answer to that question specifically for trans patients, but the answers from bodybuilders who are using very similar hormonal medical treatments give us a hint.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 7mos7MO
Expert Gender Identity #6 Expert Gender Transition
Except for the small fact that trans surgeries have been done since the 1930s. We have plenty of research about it.
@WordFile2mos2MO
We did before that as well if I remember correctly, but nazis burnt all of it
People have been trans for thousands of years in other countries and groups. I understand why you are asking that question, but the regret rate for trans treatments is less prevalent than hip replacements.
@9TNXFTV8mos8MO
Boo hoo. They need mental help
It is someone's full right to choose how they want to judge someone. If an employer is against transgenderism, they shouldn't be forced to hire trans people. If someone sees "gender identity" as a mental illness (which it is) and doesn't want to work with sick people, they shouldn't be forced to.
@9T5V8PP8mos8MO
i aint reading all of that
@9FLTJD82yrs2Y
If every human must have a job to earn money, than every human should be given the same opportunity.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican4 days4D
First, every human needs to accept the truth and reality, and stop faking their identity. Really your gender isn't even an identity, it's literally how your body is built, so trans people are straight up lying about their bodies. Lying about yourself is bad.
@9T5V8PP8mos8MO
this guy is full off crap
@Detour-Ahead8mos8MO
Bro did not do the "imagine yourself in their shoes" thingy.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican4 days4D
If I was in their "shoes", I'd stop trying to lie to myself and others, and learn to accept the truth, which is that my gender was already predetermined before I was born, and I need to live with it.
@9F7XZ5X2yrs2Y
99.9% of people who transition don't regret it, and of those who do, they state they haven't had support.
@PartisanPolarChough2yrs2Y
Please provide a reference for:
“99.9% of people who transition don't regret it”
Can you please provide a source for this?
@NationalGuy47 3mos3MO
“99.9% of people who transition don't regret it”
now where did you get that info? and even if that somehoe is true, which i doubt, that would probaly be in a short time, what about a long time in the future, then how do they feel?
@97QWJPP4mos4MO
The 99.9 % is a hyperbolic figure, but yes, studies have consistently shown that there is a single digit transition rate, meaning that the detransition rate is about 1-9 %. Also, let us remember, not all detransitions happen because of changes in one's gender identity; they can also happen because of medical complications, societal pressure, poverty, or a plethora of other reasons. This is a website which shows some of these studies, but I would encourage all commenters here to look for other studies as well, as there are a significant number that have been done throughout the world.
I am, myself, transgender. My life is in danger in the US. I need protection.
@9T5V8PP8mos8MO
you cant switch teams
@Detour-Ahead8mos8MO
Yes I agree that once on a team you can't switch. Sports would be crazy!!! But with the tech and medicine of today, we can switch genders! Pretty cool stuff I suggest you read about it. Althought I don't know what sports has to do with Gender Identity but I don't judge your interests.
@97QWJPP4mos4MO
This is not a good analogy, as gender identity is one's internal sense of being a man, woman, both, or neither. Internal senses are, and have always been throughout history(as seen through the existence transgender people's internal senses), subject to change over time, so I disagree. You can "switch teams". That's why this definition, which is generally agreed upon by sources such as the American Psychiatric Association, supports the existence and validity of transgender people (as further proven by support of transgender people by these organizations).
@9VZHHFPRepublican 7mos7MO
who do you need protection from in the United States?
we are not a violent nation towards LGBTQ people we are actually a very safe nation for those people who identify with that
@Renaldo-MoonGreen7mos7MO
Very safe compared to other nations. LGBTQ+ people especially Trans people face large amounts of harassment in public and issues like gender affirming care and same sex marriage are very fragile rights there is a constant pushback against these rights and they are often in danger.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican4 days4D
Well, STOP BEING TRANSGENDER!!! You ask for others to accept you, why not YOU accept yourself and your body? Don't be a hypocrite and ask for other's acceptance when you don't even accept your own body.
@9TNXFTV8mos8MO
Leave
@ISIDEWITH9yrs9Y
No
@9FMNMJQ2yrs2Y
Discrimination is a serious sweeping issue in the US. No one chooses to be oppressed or hated, and therefore we should protect everyone that is. It is our duty to provide to those less fortunate and that are rejected by writ large society. It is immoral to hate or berate someone on something they simply don't control. My hope is that soon enough, we won't need to write it into law. However as things are now, with discrimination against LGBTQ members being ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court in Creative LLC vs Elenis, it is imperative we write into law that these people are protected, safe, and cared for.
@9F8N3L92yrs2Y
first off genetics play a key detail on what you are, either you have xx or you have xy and you can not change what you are genetically, at the end of the day i don't care what you think you are but i don't want your opinion being forced on me and it shouldn't be mandated across the country
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 7mos7MO
“first off genetics play a key detail on what you are, either you have xx or you have xy”
or xxy or yyx
Intersex people exist too people
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
Maybe they do, but we're talking about people born male (xy) trying to be female (xx) or vise versa. I recognize that people can be born with defects.
@9TNXFTV8mos8MO
Amen! I don’t know why people think they can become something they’re not.
@p1nkp1x1edragon6mos6MO
fun fact! there are 10 medically and scientifically recognized chromosomal variations for biological sex in humans.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 6mos6MO
And there are hundreds of genders! Crazy how that works! We are all different!
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican3 days3D
What 10? xx, xy, xxy, what else?
@Detour-Ahead8mos8MO
Dude... I became an engineer, when I was born unemployed!!! I became a worker when I'm not born a worker!!! Its Genius!!! Humans are just so smart huh, we can become and do anything! Some dude was like "Lets go to the moon, I want to be a spaceman" and he became an astronaut and went to the moon!!! Humans are just so special in that regard. Ask a deer and they just go "..."
@RenaldoMoon7mos7MO
WOW!!!
I love this argument :)
So I was born a normal human, can I become like superman?
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
Those things don't involve completely changing who you are tho, unlike transgender.
@WordFile2mos2MO
If you educated yourself on the topic beyond an 8th grade level you would understand how wrong you are.
@9F7G2BR2yrs2Y
Canadian Bill C-16 of the ontaraio human rights code does the same thing and it has resulted in people facing civil liability for using incorrect pronouns
@9F8M5JL2yrs2Y
Why is a stranger's gender your business? You'll never meet them, and even if you do, why do you care? Give one example of people identifying with a different gender than they were assigned at birth affecting your life.
@Detour-Ahead8mos8MO
Exactly! I can't wrap my head around the fact that people get so pressed about trivial things like gender! Let's focus on the big things like idk COLONIZING MARS. Why do people get so angry about someone elses choices? They care too much almost. Most of the time we waste time arguing about expression, instead of arguing how to best put on clothes on fish. Why do you care... You don't care about most things, but this? omg you need to yell as loud as you can that you care. I just don't get it... LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
Not when they force me to learn about and accept them, and yes, my school does that
@ISIDEWITH9yrs9Y
Yes, and the government should do more to protect minorities from discrimination
@9GN7PJPIndependent2yrs2Y
Top Agreement
Gender has never been connected to biological sex, and many biology and anatomy books will agree, even books from decades ago. Not only that, the amount of death or harassment directed towards those who have a differing Gender Identity is vastly larger than other situations and should be legally addressed, and taken into account for hate crimes.
@9GNT6FH2yrs2Y
Yes, it is dangerous to allow hate crimes to take place against all minorities. The fact that the right for someone to live as they see themselves is under scrutiny by conservatives around the world is honestly sad. As a victim of the policies that this change in tone has brought, it angers me that so many people are indifferent to this issue. Gender affirming care has shown to decrease risks of suicide and increase quality of life for those afflicted with Gender Dysphoria(GD). Puberty blockers should be accessible to anyone that requires them(I'm looking at you, Senate Bill 14 and other similar laws) and hormones should be available to gender diverse kids from the age of 16 onwards. The "party of small government" interfering with my and many others' personal lives is ironic and hypocritical.
There are certain standards that people must comply with, one being that you cannot change your gender after you're born. Not only that, but gender transitioning is not 100% and still requires extensive medication for life, which is a big waste of money. And who is paying for it? The government, as part of medicaid? So us taxpayers are paying for the sickness of these trans people?!?
I recognize that gender expression can be different from biological sex, but that doesn't change whether you are male or female, it just changes how masculine of feminine you are. But in restrooms or sports, you still go with your actual sex, not gender expression. Gender identity is a mental illness, how you want to express yourself doesn't change your identity. If a man acts womanish, fine, everyone's different, but in sports and bathrooms, they need to go with the men not the women. And their pronouns are still "he".
@9GNCQKW 2yrs2Y
Simply from public exposure that I've seen from my brother's girlfriend who happens to be trans has been disgusting to see, with people simply not being able to both comprehend and accept the idea of people expressing who they truly are.
@Porge0Republican2yrs2Y
No, it is more disgusting that someone can support a person who doesn't even accept something as basic and set-in-stone as their own sex. If that person cannot even accept who they really are, they should not be surprised that others don't accept THEM.
@9KSPT951yr1Y
We do accept ourselves, which is why we need certain medicines and therapy so we can be happy and not think that we would be better off dead because of people like you
@9TNXFTV8mos8MO
If you liked who you were you wouldn’t need to change anything to be happy. Get real
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
Absolutely! If you don't respect your own body, don't go asking for other people to respect you. Trans people treat their bodies as if it's something expendable and tamperable, which is anything but respecting your body.
@9GNT3XBProgressive2yrs2Y
I agree with this comment about gender identity. I wish people would be more open to understanding and accepting that people aren't one thing or the other. We're a spectrum of things, and our gender identity is a part of who we are.
@9GNSN9Q2yrs2Y
I agree it is horrible that people are mistreating people based on what they recognize themselves as people should be allowed to be whatever they want to unless it breaks a law or harm others.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
It is more disgusting that your brother would love a fake woman, a freak if you will.
@9GTH47T2yrs2Y
The Office of Research on Women's Health states that gender is a multidimensional construct that encompasses gender identity and expression, which associates with social and cultural expectations about status. It has also been shown by science that there is more to your chromosomes than the simple XX or XY.
There is such a thing as birth defects, where people may be born with different chromosomes. But that is different than being born with a proper chromosome pair (xx or xy) and then trying to go against it by altering your gender.
@9H5KCKZ1yr1Y
yes there are many people who have been killed, committed suicide and ect. because of discrimination and people trying to control them.
@ISIDEWITH9yrs9Y
No, there are only two genders which are genetically not psychologically determined
@9FSSSH32yrs2Y
Gender is a social construct and there are significant differences between and within the sexes, including all variations of intersex. There is no genetic nor biological gender and the preconceived notion that the two sexes directly correlate to the gender of the individual is misinformed.
Maybe so, but someone's perceived gender plays a big part in who they are, their "gender identity" is as justified a means of judgement as is their kindness/rudeness. Respecting others is important, but respecting self is also important. If not respecting others can hurt your reputation and subject you to social consequences, then not respecting yourself (such as refusing to accept your body by calling yourself the opposite sex) should also subject you to social consequences.
Gender identity and assigned sec are two vastly different things, biologically while there are indeed only two sexes (ignoring rare off cases such as intersex people) gender is a social construct that was originally built off of sex, but has now evolved into it's own topic.
@RenaldoMoon7mos7MO
“(ignoring rare off cases such as intersex people”
Your point is good however I just want to point out that intersex people are about as common a redheads and are not rare.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 7mos7MO
Around 1-2% of people are biologically intersex.
@Czuck1983Progressive2yrs2Y
Sex and gender are not the same thing, neither is binary in nature. Sex (male/female/intersex) comes from a combination of your genitalia and chromosomes (there's more than XX and XY). Gender (man/woman/nonbinary) comes from your brain (different genders have differently sized and shaped brains). Human biology is a wonderfully complex field, every piece of the puzzle is important. That is a scientific fact, and those facts don't care about the fact that you stopped learning when you left high school.
If gender is psychological, then why is surgery so necessary for trans people?
@VulcanMan6 2yrs2Y
Gender-affirmation surgery is not necessary for a person to be trans, as you can be trans without having any surgery or procedures, since your gender identity is psychological and not biological. Gender-affirming surgery is a part of what is known as gender expression, which is the physical means of expressing gender externally, whether it be biological, like surgery or hormone treatments, or even non-biological, like the way you style your clothes or hair or whatnot. Your gender expression does not inherently define your gender identity, since your gender expression is merely, as the name… Read more
If trans people commit suicide, that's called "natural selection", where the extremely ill have a natural desire to end themselves, for the betterment of society. The amount of resources required to help affirm trans people's gender identity is very wasteful. Tell me, who deserves more to be hired for a job? Someone who will spend a good portion of it on medication that isn't even needed for their survival (gender affirming care or hormones of their "gender identity"), or someone who will purely spend it on needed goods that in turn help sustain jobs and promote economic growth. While the production of gender affirming medication is a viable job, how does it help society? It only helps the trans people, but if there were no trans people, these jobs could be replaced with actually useful jobs in medication.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican3 days3D
Because for some reason, they are convinced that trans surgeries can actually help them be more like the other sex, even though all it does is destroy their body
While it's true that sex and gender are distinct, it's important to consider how these concepts intersect with societal norms and moral values. For instance, many people argue that traditional male and female roles have been established for a reason and that they play a crucial role in maintaining stability in society. In this perspective, adding gender identity to anti-discrimination laws might disrupt the balance of societal norms and could lead to confusion. What are your thoughts on the potential consequences of expanding anti-discrimination laws in this way?
While it's true that sex and gender are distinct concepts, it is also important to consider the potential implications of adding gender identity to anti-discrimination laws from a practical standpoint. For example, including gender identity in these laws could complicate matters in sex-segregated spaces, such as bathrooms, locker rooms, or sports teams. This could lead to privacy and safety concerns for some individuals, as well as affect the fairness in competitive sports.
Moreover, while the human brain is complex and gender might have some neurological basis, these differences might… Read more
@9H2RJTR1yr1Y
While DNA plays a role in shaping physical characteristics, it's not the only factor that determines gender. Socialization, cultural norms, expression, and brain differences change how we experience gender. There are social and physical aspects to gender, and those who socially present or identify with incongruence to their birth sex are unfairly discriminated against, and this should be changed.
Gender identities neither male nor female have been manifesting in society for thousands of years. Just as you couldn't say "atheism isn't real" as a religious person, because atheists exist despite the fact that you believe in God, not "believing" in the existence of more than two genders doesn't mean that it doesn't manifest in society.
@ISIDEWITH8yrs8Y
No, we should address gender identity as a mental health issue and provide funds for more research and care
@9GVWZSC1yr1Y
Gender identity and the dysphoria that more often than not comes with having a gender that differs from a persons assigned sex at birth is very real and can be detrimental if not treated or if gender affirming care is not provided. If a person is consistently disrespected and ignored through their preferred name and pronouns purposefully not being used by their peers and those close to them, it can lead to immense depression and suicidal thoughts or actions. Similarly, if a person feels like they were born in the wrong body with the wrong genitals and wish to change their body to feel better… Read more
@9TNXFTV8mos8MO
Okay you are free to off yourself if you don’t like who you are
@Detour-Ahead8mos8MO
Yep! It's quite the solution huh... Genius!
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
So if someone wants to commit suicide, doctors should also be allowed to assist them in ending themselves right?
@9GQ6RLR2yrs2Y
Gender identity is not a mental health issue. Gender identity allows for one to freely express themselves as who they are and not be confined through the heterosexual lens our society operates on.
@9V7V63W7mos7MO
This post inappropriately conflates gender with sex.
Gender identity has no connection to being bisexual, heterosexual, or homosexual.
@9H2RJTR1yr1Y
I oppose seeking care to help people "stop becoming trans," because evidence shows that conversion therapy doesn't work for transgender or homosexual people. While gender dysphoria is a mental health concern, it derives from the already existing incongruence between gender identity and birth sex. There should always be funding for research and care of trans people, but to include them, not exclude them.
@9GMLJM32yrs2Y
Gender is a social construct. Men used to wear pink , makeup and high heels. There is no reason someone’s Gender Identity should hurt you, they are just living a life .
@ISIDEWITH9yrs9Y
No, and repeal anti-discrimination laws for private companies
@9FLV4BJ 2yrs2Y
Top Disagreement
Transgender and non binary people are some of the most at risk groups in the country, and must be protected from discrimination and violence in all spaces.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
LGBTQ+ people have a very powerful voice in this country, way too powerful for some mentally sick people.
@9FLVRJM2yrs2Y
Gender identity is not a choice and is an aspect of one's identity that does not deserve to be targeted.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican2mos2MO
Gender identity is not genetics, it is mentality. Mentality is learned, not set in stone. If kids weren't taught about gender identity or told that being transgender is subhuman, they wouldn't wanna be transgender.
@9FLTJD82yrs2Y
Anyone can express who they are and it is not fair to argue basic human rights. If every human must have a job to earn money, than every human should be given the same opportunity.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican3 days3D
I'm not saying they can't get a job, they just can't expect others to accept their "gender identity".
@9FMZHJM2yrs2Y
Any company should make it clear upfront that they won't accept anyone within a certain minority, and should make it known to anyone who might donate to them or make a deal with them.
@TheHillbillyLordRepublican3 days3D
What are you saying? I'm confused here. It sounds like you're saying companies shouldn't hire minorities?
@8MN8DQ95yrs5Y
I feel we should not add it to the law, but still help anyone with gender identity so that they are comfortable.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution10mos10MO
Any man who thinks he's a woman, or woman who thinks he's a man, should be made as *UNCOMFORTABLE AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE* in that absurd belief.
@SkepTex 5mos5MO
#9 Informed Social Issues #8 Expert Gender Identity
Minorities will face discrimination by intolerant assholes. Either we let that happen, or we give them legal recourse. Do you want to stand by while the ignorant majority tramples people in need?
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