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@B9SFCWX Agreements4mos ago

Requiring citizenship for voting sets a bar for who is allowed to provide influence and change in a system

In the simplest example, if anyone was allowed to come by your house and suggest what should be made for dinner that everyone would have to eat, that wpuld be a very kind and communal environment but could become quickly burdensome and costly on those not only preparing the food but on everyone else who lives there and must eat the food.

When everyone agrees the system is great, it has potential to learn new things, and becomes very dynamic.

When the outcome is bad (the dinner is inedible, unaffordable, incomplete, etc), the majority may have received what they asked for but only those living there must stay and finish the outcome.

The visitor must make little effort to leave before the dinner is even served but those that stay there would have a much higher bar to pick up and leave.

This doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that the visitor(s) can swing the majority to the minority and now those who disagreed from the beginning may be stuck with the outcome without the previous majority to deal with the reoercussions.

Requiring a certain level of commitment (you will stay untill dinner is finished, you will stay the night, you will stay the weekend) can increase this bar.

The debate should be at what level this bar should be set. The debate should not be whethere or not there should be a bar at all.

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 @B9T3SG9 from South Carolina  disagreed…4mos4MO

acquiring U.S. citizenship often takes multiple decades to acquire, and there is little to no evidence supporting the claim that immigrants may just leave whenever things get bad. Immigrants who have yet to receive their citizenship should still have a say in general affairs, as it is not only the rights of citizens but the rights of non-citizen immigrants that are being affected as well. Punishing a person simply because they got unlucky and are wading through the long, tedious process of acquiring citizenship is unjust. The US government cannot say it stands for all people if it excludes the unfortunate.

 @B9SFCWX from Illinois  commented…4mos4MO

While I believe that your goal is idealistic, I do not believe it is realistic. There is quite a bit of information out there and I don't believe you have tried looking. https://cis.org/Report/Overall-ForeignBorn-Population-Down-22-Million-January-July

I don't want to say that this is the worst America has ever faced but it feels like a particularly volatile time. While I would understand why someone who is here legally as an immigrant would feel uncomfortable and not want to be here, I think that does in fact show that in looking out for their best interest it is easier to leave tha…  Read more

 @B9T2PXY  from Illinois  disagreed…4mos4MO

I believe that they shouldn't vote. Why? Because they came here Illegally. If somebody broke into your home and voted for what was for dinner, are you going to accept their vote or call 911 because somebody broke into your house? Also, if they were able to vote, things would just go WAY downhill. First off, they are illegal immigrants, so they aren't from here. That probably means a good ~95% can't even speak our language, let alone even know about American politics in the first place! It's like if you are at a friend's house for the first time. Say they have 2 restau…  Read more

 @B9SFCWX from Illinois  commented…4mos4MO

I don't think you understand my position. I am in agreement with the statement: "No, only legal citizens should be allowed to vote"

You are bringing in percentages that are very general and probably not helpful to the position that we both share. I am trying to use an analogy without using rhetoric.

The long and short is: People who want to vote should have some level of investment. Someone who has no ties should not be allowed to vote. At what point is any person invested enough that we say: "You can vote for this place because you are in it for the long haul."

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 @B9RWFB7Peace and Freedom  from Texas  disagreed…4mos4MO

I agree that foreigners should be able to vote, but as long as they have been a citizen for 10+ years in the country because if then they might be the reason for some nonsense happening in the country without knowing.

 @B9SZMPC from Texas  disagreed…4mos4MO

I think everyone has the right to vote even if you are not a citezen because there's people that call this their home and should be able to decide what happens in their country even if they are not from here

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