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#4 Engaged Military

While I wouldn't stay I "stand with Putin" – I am a zealous defender of peace and neutrality in all foreign wars – you do make a good point. Both nations are bad, both are dictatorships, so we shouldn't fund or support either.

One is definitely better than the other, Ukraine has worked to gain independence and was promised it under international law. Russia refused, and lashed out on Ukraine after their country surrendered their nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for peace, all because they blame the rest of the world for trying to “encroach on Russian sovereignty”, when they are doing the exact same thing whenever left alone.

Ah yes, the sham referendums of the “Donetsk People’s Republic” (Captured), the “Luhansk People’s Republic” (Also captured), the Kherson Oblast, and the Zaporizhzhia Oblast (Both partially under Russian administrative control). The referendums were done with extremely bad methodology, with proven reports of Russian coercion on citizens, limited voting power for certain groups inside of these regions, a lack of identification or any reasonable restrictions for eligible voters, intentionally created pro-Russian parades in occupied regions, and so much more.…  Read more Only 1 other country has considered the referendums to be valid: North Korea. The UN had little to no oversight of the referendums, its validity was publicly denounced by a near unanimous majority, and the referendums literally violated international law. There’s no actual proof Ukrainians want to transfer to Russia in a large enough quantity to even consider accepting. In short, they did NOT want to leave, some might have, but not nearly enough, and even then, Ukraine will refuse to allow that during a wartime like this, because these kinds of things require Russia to actually be at the table for negotiations, which it has failed to do miserably.