Words mean things only because we assigned words TO meanings (or to things, actions, etc. depending on the word's parts of speech).
For example, the law of identity would posit that something that is red...is red. This is simply due to the fact that we created the word "red" specifically to describe things that "are red". Other languages will all have their own word that also just describes things that "are red". The words can be different, but the meaning that these words are communicating are still the same. Both "red" and "rojo" (red in spanish) still mean the same thing, because that's what we created those words to describe. This is not anything profound or inherent to the universe itself...this is literally just a function of how WE created words to operate. In the simplest of terms: words mean...what they mean...because that is what we made the words for, which is WHY the laws of logic are able to work the way they do. It is simply a function of words and communication.
Again, there was no need for any god to explain or understand this. In fact, if you told a person who has no idea what the laws of logic are that "red is red", they would probably just respond "uh, yea, that's what red is, duh" because there isn't even any reason for people to need to understand these "laws"...it's literally just how words work. It is not as profound or complicated as you keep trying to insist it is, and there definitely is no need for any external force or deity to explain it.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
The law of identity literally means that a thing is itself. This is not something mankind can event as language, because without this basic law the universe would be unable to function. Laws of logic have nothing to do with words, they exist before human language. That's why the entire universe works in a manner perfectly consistent with logical laws, and why we are able to reason at all. With all due respect, words are not close to the same thing as universal, invariant, logical laws, because words are conventions made up by mankind.
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
This is not something mankind can event as language, because without this basic law the universe would be unable to function.
This right here shows a complete misunderstanding of what the laws of logic are and do.
The laws of logic absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself, they are simply principles that provide an objective basis in, as the name suggests...logic. The universe itself does not have any "logic" because logic is a man-made concept; logic does not exist at all without anyone to communicate it, because logic itself is merely a property of communication.… Read more
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If the laws of logic "absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself" why do we never get x-and-not-x at the same time, in the same sense? Why is, for example, a celestial body never both a neutron star and not a neutron star at the same time? Why can two truths never be contradictory to each other? Why can the earth not be both spherical and flat at the same time? It's because, obviously, the laws of logic apply to the universe itself, otherwise they would merely exist inside our brains – and how could we expect information that evolved inside our brains to be reliable in any way, shape, or form? How without God, can we trust the reliability of the human senses, understand the rules of correct reasoning, or have any basis for basic morality? None of these questions have been answered...
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
If the laws of logic "absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself" why do we never get x-and-not-x at the same time, in the same sense? Why is, for example, a celestial body never both a neutron star and not a neutron star at the same time?
You seem to be under the impression that "logic" is some kind of physical force that the universe must adhere to, instead of simply a man-made means for us to maintain a sense of objectivity within the world around us, which is a fundamental misunderstanding of what "logic" is in the first place. A celestial bod… Read more
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“The laws of logic DO only exist inside our brains because that is where our thoughts are. Without thought, there is no logic to think of in the first place. The laws of logic do not apply to the universe, WE are applying the laws of logic ONTO the universe.”
If the laws of logic only exist because of thought, why do we need laws of logic to correct our thoughts?
If there is no "objective basis for morality ... [and it] is completely made up" then why have you repeatedly claimed that it is "wrong" to deny a woman her "bodily autonomy" by restricting abortion, and why have also claimed that it is "wrong" for capitalists to "exploit" workers? You never said that you personally believe those to be wrong, rather you claimed that they are self-evidently wrong, and that government, or society, or the maj… Read more
