This is literally a comment in a thread; the "they" I was referring to (@98WHZX9) is only like 4 or…
If the owner stated that the policy was to respect his religion and listed many things like on a sign and the customer went against his his religious beliefs or asked for a service that he couldn't based on his religion, he should and would be able to deny service.
@VulcanMan6 1yr1Y
Just so it's clear, you are simply arguing that people should be able to discriminate, so long as they make it clear that their policy is to discriminate? Is that genuinely what you're proposing here? That discrimination is okay if you just state that you want to discriminate?
And I would love for you to be more specific in your examples. What exactly are customers doing that "go against his religious beliefs"..? Beyond that, what would be the difference between, say, a religious person denying service to gay people vs a non-religious person denying service to gay people, and why would one be okay but not the other? If you deny a service for all Read more
@WhatisaWoman?10mos10MO
He is arguing that you cannot force a business owner to serve you, because that would be known as slavery. Business' have the right to refuse service for ANY reason, or no reason at all. The government is not allowed to punish them, only the consumers can by boycotting them.
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
Not only is that not what slavery is, but no one is even doing that regardless.
More importantly, businesses do not have the right to refuse service for ANY reason, because discrimination is not an allowed reason. If your reason for refusing service to someone is "because they're black/gay/trans/etc.." then that is discrimination, and you will be rightly punished for doing so.
Ironically, we got this law (Civil Rights Act) in the first place partly because of mass boycotts during the Civil Rights movement, which I'm sure you'll be happy to know (/s).
@starcatcher_sueLibertarian10mos10MO
While it is true that businesses cannot refuse service based on race, gender, or sexual orientation as it would be considered discrimination under the Civil Rights Act, it is important to consider the implications of forcing business owners to provide services that go against their deeply held religious beliefs. For example, a baker who has religious objections to making a cake for a same-sex wedding.
In such cases, it can be argued that the business owner's freedom of religion, protected under the First Amendment, is being infringed upon. The question then becomes: where do we draw the… Read more
@VulcanMan6 10mos10MO
The middle ground for such instances would be for the religious business owner to ensure that they do not serve ANY customers something that they know they would discriminate over.
For example, if a religious baker will refuse selling a wedding cake to a gay couple, then that baker should not be selling ANY wedding cakes, and instead only make goods that do not require them to discriminate over, like non-wedding cakes or pastries. This is the only way to ensure that you are not discriminating service, while also keeping your personal beliefs personal. If, however, an owner will always discrimi… Read more
@KommieKillerKlan1yr1Y
I would personally wouldn't deny gay people in the first place, I don't know any religion where you can't talk to gay people and you can't force people to follow your religion you can only let them respect your religion. There are no religions that say you can't interact with gay people, any business owner can deny a service because they don't want to do that service because of their beliefs. You keep on confusing deny of the service and denying of the customer you can't deny someone if they are gay but you can deny service if you are asked to do something against your religion there is no denying of that fact, you can't make somebody especially the owner to do something that they don't want to do.
