@TheRacingWolf 7mos7MO
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The suicide rates of children who receive gender-affirming care are astronomically lower than those who don't. Additionally, the divorce rate and the amount of people who work in a field unrelated to their college major are much higher than the rate of people who regret transgender surgery. While the former two are encouraged, the latter is looked down upon.
@98HV8R7 7mos7MO
The concept of gender-affirming care is too recent to record accurate data regarding its effects. Teenagers who receive gender-affirming care will not experience the full scope of the decision until they reach an age of maturity, apply for jobs, date, begin careers. Only then will the concept of "regret," or not, be accurately recorded. Children who are unable to consent to sexual relations, vote, pay taxes, or be approved for a loan should not be subject to gender-affirming care, particularly if the procedure creates permanent physical changes.
@9HZ8L7C 3mos3MO
The most in-detail study on this says otherwise. The conclusion says:
"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
The suicide rates from that same study are also quite shocking. People who have undergone gender-reassignment… Read more
@9FPLGCR7mos7MO
I agree with this very much. As a transgender citizen, gender-affirming care has ended my depression, which was a result of biochemical issues due to my brain being wired to receive testosterone. I am functionally a male, and without gender-affirming care I would likely have killed myself by now.
@Ars-Gratia-Artis3mos3MO
Out of curiosity, and please don't attack me, would therapy possibly have created a similar outcome?
@9JTVXMF2mos2MO
The vast majority of Trans folks that have pursued gender-affirming care have undergone years of therapy to get there. Your medical team (including your therapist) has to clear you for gender-affirming care. Some folks can combat their gender dysphoria and related depression with a combination of affirming therapy and self-expression, but this is uncommon.
Just try to keep in mind that everybody's different, A way is not THE way, and that gender-affirming care saves lives.
@9G7ZH5B6mos6MO
Transgenderism is wrong, and with an undeveloped mind you must be borderline retarded to suggest that anyone should give a child permission to get an irreversible procedure with lifelong negative effects
@9GB5SGP 6mos6MO
If a child is expressing that they are not comfortable in their own body, you should be paying attention to that. Not how you may feel about what they are saying. Put your child's needs before your beliefs. They may be young or old, but they know how they feel. It is THEIR bodies. You shouldn't be using "restarted" as a reference to this topic, or anything really. That's just as wrong as how you feel about this topic.
@9G8GB966mos6MO
Literally nobody is suggesting surgery on children. Straw man arguments do nothing productive when it comes to discussing gender affirmation for children.
@9G8K4KD6mos6MO
The “procedures” in question are very reversible. There are very very few people advocating for surgery for minors under 16 years of age. Trans affirming healthcare involves hormone blockers, which simply delay the process of puberty, which is an irreversible process.
@PBJoe6mos6MO
This issue is a personal medical issue that should be between a patient and their doctors/therapists.
@9FBGL677mos7MO
Children have all types of wild thoughts and ideas. Adults have the responsibility to guide them through those
@9HGW5LH5mos5MO
The WPATH suggested requirements to recieve trans related care are high enough, as per the Standards of Care.
The WPATH suggested requirements needed for minors to recieve trans related care are high enough to eliminate those that are just too imaginitive.
The following recommendations are made regarding the requirements for gender-affirming medical and surgical treatment (All of them must be met): 6.12- We recommend health care professionals assessing transgender and gender diverse adolescents only recommend gender-affirming medical or surgical treatments requested by the patient when: 6.12.a- the adolescent meets the diagnostic criteria of gender incongruence as per the ICd-11 in situations where… Read more
Medical care is a private and personal decision making process between the medical provider and the individual. Government directive and interference is unnecessary and unconstitutional. This transcends far beyond the concept of gender transition, which still remains a private and personal decision making process that is (and should be) protected under the constitution.
@9FRM5KV7mos7MO
My best counter-argument to this is that if a child is old enough (around 16-18) they are capable of understanding and learning about everything that goes into the process we should be supportive of them and allow them to embrace who they really are. We shouldn't have control of their gender identity. Only they should have control over that.
@9FQC9SY7mos7MO
HRT and even non-medical forms of Gender Transition have not been scientifically proven to be irreversible, and if the child, parents AND a doctor all agree it's the best decision then it's the right choice. Not to mention while the child may still regret it the rate of regret is extremely low, and many other children have had far higher regret rates from other medical procedures. As well as that many life changing decisions that negatively impact children are already made for them by their parents, whereas this is a choice the child can make themselves that can positively impact their life.
@9GJSXT4Independent 6mos6MO
Data shows a mind is not fully developed to make decisions like this. You wouldn't let your child pick what they eat for dinner, we certainly cannot allow children to make these decisions.
@9GNQ7D86mos6MO
children should be allowed to make their own decisions when exploring their identity, because only they know themselves best. people(parents) have no opinion in deciding someone else's identity, and because these choices cannot actually harm anyone else, they should be allowed gender-affirming care if it brings them peace.
@9GJSXT4Independent6mos6MO
You can call them whatever they want, dress how they want, but under no means should they be allowed to do gender altering surgery before their mind has fully developed. If a child feels like they’re a race car driver, should we let them drive cars? If a child feels they’re Superman, should we let them go fight bad guys?
Children are often easily influenced by their peers, the media, and others around them. Being so susceptible to influence puts them at risk of making decisions for themselves that aren't for themselves.
@9FT294M7mos7MO
If a person can't get a tattoo until 18 or drink alcohol at 21. Why at 16 can they surgically remove their own penis?
@9GDMFBF6mos6MO
In the case of Luna Younger, a young male-to-female transgender girl, her split custody parents have been undergoing a legal battle over her transition. At the age of 2, Luna began showing certain feminine proclivities, (which is not uncommon in male toddlers, especially consider Luna has a biologically female twin) and her mother began taking her to gender therapy to determine if Luna needed to transition. While living with her mother, Luna presents as female and undergoes various gender affirming therapies and treatments. However, while with her father, Luna presents and is happy to live as a boy and be called by her birth name. Her father says that she only sees herself as a girl while living with her mother, and that this is because her mother and Lunas therapists are "railroading" her into her transgender identity.
@9H2HJG55mos5MO
It is common sense, if a child can’t make any other major life decision why should they be able to make a decision of this magnitude. They are not mentally ready for it. Transitioning is a grueling mental and physical process, it’s not just the flip of some switch
@9LQ3WXX3 days3D
I do think that children shouldn't be allowed to make irreversible life decisions. But, certain treatments can be reversed.
@9HK4T7X 2mos2MO
A lot of data has shown that people after receiving these surgeries are just as suicidal as before they received any medical transition. The problem with the entire Trans argument, is that a man can't become a women. A man is an adult human male and a women is an adult human female. The left often uses the words female and women interchangeably even though they claim sex and gender are different. The first line of the gender definition is, "The male or female sex" debunking this claim. A lot of people who are transgender have an underlying mental illness that has nothing to do with them being trans at all, there is a mental health epidemic in this country, and people are losing their purpose. This is why we see movements and ideas like this one.
@9HT9MZ3 4mos4MO
A child is meant to feel and think different things, that's how they grow and learn, but they shouldn't be allowed to transition until they are legally an adult. Children may say they want or desire something, but they don't have the knowledge to understand the impact of their choices yet.
@9HF32Y8Independent5mos5MO
just let them because once they are 18 they will do it anyway so if you letthem think it throu till 16 maby 17 then you will see
@9GXY5MS5mos5MO
Transition in childhood, and especially before puberty, is social: using a name and pronouns with which the child is comfortable, and allowing the child to dress in a way which is comfortable. Before puberty, there is no irreversible decision.
In the case of "puberty blocker" hormone treatments, these are also reversible. What is not reversible is puberty itself.
Additionally, transgender children and their guardians are heavily counseled on any potential medical treatments and decisions.
@9GXBXKX5mos5MO
With the reserch that has been done on this topic, it shows that the decisions give a huge boost in mental health. The % of trans kids who have mental issues is very high.
@9GWXK3Q5mos5MO
Not if they don't understand the true consequences and problems that come with it they should not be allowed.
@9GW587M6mos6MO
https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/16/the-science-on-brain-development-rebukes-those-pushing-gender-transition-on-kids/
@9GRLJ3S6mos6MO
Just because they are supposedly children they still know what is best for them it is their own body and they should be able to express how they feel on the inside on the outside of their body.
@9GJJ56S6mos6MO
If children are literally killing themselves due to gender dysphoria and it has shown that this surgery can help reduce the death rate in trans kind than i believe that the kid should be allowed to do it. BUT only on three conditions, One: they must be showing signs/diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Two: If the child actually wants the surgery and isn't being manipulated by anyone to do this. Lastly three: They must be at an age or mental state where they are aware of what they want and can make rational decisions on their own like in the late teens.
@9FLY9S37mos7MO
Any rational sane person understands that the means of perspective the affect the understanding of autonomy therefore changed the way autonomy works in children.
@9HS9YZG 4mos4MO
the child still lacks thinking skills. If parents are very liberal, they may too easily allow surgery for a child with poor thinking skills. Even, I am currently in my 20s and my thoughts are changing rapidly. Until recently, I was a right-winger, but I changed my leanings to the left.
@9GNMJRF6mos6MO
children have young and impressionable minds cases have shown that most children grow out of gender dysphoria after 18 and giving children below 18 this kind of surgery and medication might impact then heavily in the future
@9H4L8X55mos5MO
Getting born itself is an irreversible decision.
In our lives we will have to make irreversible decisions. Sometimes, very hard decisions.
But to rob someone of that decision and have lawmakers or anyone who isn’t close to that person make the decision(which is also irreversible and causes permanent changes to the person’s body and life) isn’t the correct choice. At the end the safest way to go is to let the individual, their families and friends, and well trained medical professionals decide that together, if the decision would be correct for them(not just the doctors but… Read more
@random17345 5mos5MO
"Exploring different modes and expressions of gender is a normal part of development during childhood. Young kids often playact favorite characters of a different gender, or enjoy playing dress-up. Most eventually assume the identity of their assigned gender. For some children, gender remains fluid." taken from article "Transgender Kids and Gender Dysphoria" on childmind.org
"The latest research indicates that a part of the adolescent brain is not fully mature until the early 20s. Researchers call this a “mismatch” in maturation of the brain networks, a “gap” in development, or immature brain circuitry." taken from article "The Developing Brain" on futureswithoutviolence.org
@9GXY97XIndependent5mos5MO
A child who drinks alcohol may develop early addiction and ruin their lives and gain immense regret.
@9GHH4M26mos6MO
Multiple transgenders are saying they regret switching genders. They need to stay what god made them.
@9FSBKWM7mos7MO
They should be, but all students should be heavily educated on gender transition, and other temporary services should be offered
@9G2YG9G7mos7MO
im not smart on this subject nor have i researched it but from common sense, they should wait til 18
@9FS24ZY7mos7MO
Their brains are still developing and they’re being told what they are rather than what they really are, whatever they were born as.
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