@9G94M7PWomen’s Equality 6mos6MO
The biological differences between men and women are too vast to ever have them compete fairly in a competition based solely off of athletic ability. There should be a separate group for trans gender athletes and those who choose to compete against them.
@9G9QRSZ 6mos6MO
Some transgender athletes take surgeries to change themselves to where it would be fair to compete with cisgender athletes. While it may not be fair if they don't do that, they should have the right to compete against them if they wish, and we shouldn't restrict that ability just because of their gender.
@9G94M7PWomen’s Equality6mos6MO
Based on statistical evidence transgender athletes still have male bone density as well as lung capacity which cannot be effect by hormones. Other things such as height and limb length can give these athletes power over biological female athletes. It’s not anything against this community to say that sports should be considered fair between all competitors
@JusticeAndyGreen6mos6MO
Bone density and lung capacity might not be significantly altered by hormone therapy, it's also important to remember that not all advantages in sports are strictly physical. Strategy, skill, and mental toughness play key roles as well. For instance, the legendary basketball player, Muggsy Bogues, stood at just 5'3" but excelled in a sport dominated by much taller players.
Moreover, sports have always had individuals with genetic advantages. For example, swimmer Michael Phelps' wingspan is longer than his height, a trait that gives him an edge in the pool. Should we disallow him from competing because of this advantage?
@Ars-Gratia-Artis3mos3MO
“fair to compete with cisgender athletes”
Technically not, as biologically male swimmers have outpaced the biologically females in the female leagues every time. I mean, if a woman can keep pace with the men, it's one thing. But the other way around, historically and statistically, doesn't work. Perhaps there's a better solution for this, I.E. a third and fourth category for trans males and trans females to level the playing field a little bit?
The sooner we stop denying facts, the faster we can move to equity.
@9GB6NWD6mos6MO
I undeniably agree. You can never completely form one gender into another; it is biologically impossible.
@GrumpyCapitalist6mos6MO
many indigenous cultures, such as the Navajo, there was a recognition of more than two genders long before modern discussions about transgender rights. These cultures often had roles for people who didn't fit neatly into male or female categories, and they were fully integrated into society, including sports and competitions.
Moreover, we've seen that hormone therapy can bring transgender athletes within the same range of physical capabilities as cisgender athletes of their identified gender. For example, MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a trans woman, underwent hormone therapy and has competed professionally against cisgender women.
@Ars-Gratia-Artis3mos3MO
Well... Yeah... Don't think a Bio-Male would have a hard time in a fight with a woman. And that's kind of the problem.
@9G99GST6mos6MO
I think it is truly unfair to let born men play born women in a sport the male is more dominate from birth.
@VulcanMan6 6mos6MO
We shouldn't be separating sports by gender to begin with.
@Ars-Gratia-Artis3mos3MO
I mean, fair assessment, and I thought the same for a while, but the problem is men would have an easier time against a significant percent of women. I'm not against, however, a woman applying for the MLB or something, provided she's held to the same standards as the men. If she can compete on that level, why not?
Men in women's sports is a problem and there is research on this. Probably worth a Google.
@9G9FDXL6mos6MO
If you are born a boy, you play sports with and against boys. If you are born a girl, you play sports with and against girls.
@9GTMQ8Y 5mos5MO
Top Disagreement
Denying a transgender person access to any experience should be considered unfair discrimination, and they should be given a fair chance to compete against those of which they know they are equal to. (regarding gender)
@Ars-Gratia-Artis3mos3MO
While you can alter visible things, you cannot alter every piece of DNA in the body. It's about the chromosomes, buddy!
@9GTPL5M 5mos5MO
Transgender athletes are considered equal in terms of gender, but they are not equal in terms of biological sex which has a physical impact on their raw height, strength, and speed.
@9GV3T955mos5MO
Transgender people are born with certain chromosomes and hormones that affect their athletic ability. It has been scientifically proven that men are naturally stronger than woman, to place a biological man and a biological woman against each other regardless of how they identity would be not logical and unfair to the athletes.
@9F8MSQDRepublican7mos7MO
Even after undergoing an operation or taking hormone supplements, genetically, a transgender athlete would still have the same advantages or disadvantages that they had based on their gender assigned at birth
@9F8F2K57mos7MO
I just think that it is unfair how a biological male can compete against females while they have a whole different DNA. If we look at Lia Thomas she was an average swimmer against males, but once she started competing against females she was amazing.
@Liam_Hetland 1yr1Y
There is an inherent anatomical difference in the brain and body makeup. No surgery could change that; people will always be the sex they were at birth. Male bodies develop much stronger muscles with more endurance, which is typically why males also have larger muscles. If you have seen the difference between a male and female runner, you will quickly see that males win nearly every time. There is a fundamental reason for this because there are and always will be inherent differences between males and females, not only in muscle build but also in the brain's functionality. There are apparent differences in how the brain works and develops between the two genders. If you want further information, I can provide credible answers from medical institutes to support my claims.
@9HJD9JJ4mos4MO
Transgender athletes have the right to participate in activities they love as themselves. Such claims may be true, but there are other solutions to this problem than simply to ban transgender athletes. We could create their own division, but then again that would be isolating and may feel like we are trying to segregate them. And there are not only two birth genders, we often forget entirely that intersex people exist as well, people born with both male and female genetic and/or physical traits. What about them? So many times, people try and argue that Transgender athletes should not compete in the division for their gender, but they never offer solutions other than to ban them. So, what should we do?
@Liam_Hetland4mos4MO
Competing in the same league as the sex you have at birth would be more fair in terms of biological makeup, yet they’ll claim it’s unfair in terms of chemical makeup, which would probably be true. A separate league is really the only solution, yet again, it will result in outrage and plus, it is unlikely it will sustain nearly as much funding as seen with men’s vs women’s basketball.
Now on the topic of intersex, it is difficult to determine as much as it is to live with. Generally however there is a clear difference with how the child develops. The standard case of… Read more
@9HJC6T94mos4MO
Yes, there is a biological difference between XX and XY chromosomes. By letting a transgender female compete with biological females on any level is a clear unfair advantage to the transgender. Imagine LeBron transitioned and joined the WNBA, in what universe would that be fair.
@9HJC38MRepublican4mos4MO
I 100% agree. It's also horrible how women have to deal with biological men in changing rooms. As well as the fact that it undermines womens achievements by allowing men to compete with them.
@9HJFPYC4mos4MO
There is area for discussion here, but look at a sport like wrestling where they are categorized into weight and height classes. For Transgender athlete similar regulations could apply for fairness in the sport.
@Liam_Hetland4mos4MO
Yes, although people will label that as discrimination
@9FXBRVN 7mos7MO
One of the fundamental principles of sports is to promote inclusivity and equality. Proponents of allowing transgender athletes to compete in accordance with their gender identity argue that denying them this right is a form of discrimination. They argue that excluding transgender athletes from sports teams or competitions based on their assigned sex at birth is akin to the historic discrimination faced by other groups, such as women and racial minorities, in sports. Inclusivity not only promotes fairness but also helps create a more diverse and accepting society. Medical and scientific commu… Read more
@9FXDX9J7mos7MO
People from the oppposing sex at birth should not compeate with the other sex because of the different biology of the different sexes and that is also how you get more rape vicims because of sick people who would do this kind of thing for their own pleasure.
@9GD7SGM 6mos6MO
It is the issue of the institution and systems at play, not the individual athlete. You cannot say no to trans athletes without having some bias rooted in transphobia or sexism.
@atlas1176mos6MO
There are just two genders, men and women. You can't switch, the homo sapiens sapiens is biologically not able to do so.
@DrearyIguana6mos6MO
In the old days of the Olympics, it was a simple matter of men competing against men, women against women. It was a time when things seemed simpler, and we were less aware of the spectrum of human identity.
@9GXPJPQ5mos5MO
It goes with the everlasting anti-feminist movement. Believing that a transgender woman is stronger than a person assigned woman at birth doesn't provide any real knowledge on why. If you believe this then the woman can be on estrogen for over 5 months before they are able to play on the team.
@9GYXJJW5mos5MO
Based on what I already said, the matter should not even exist.
@9G8ZVVYRepublican6mos6MO
men and women naturally have different capabilities due to thousands of years of evolution. It is fine to identify as a gender that differs from your assigned gender, however because of natural capabilities that come with your assigned gender, it will never be fair to have transgender women compete against cis women. Women have fought for years to be able to compete in sports and have their own lives, allowing assigned men takes away the years women have fought for their rights.
@9H548XJ5mos5MO
If a transgender athlete wishes to compete in a sport that competes against others of their preferred gender, research has actually shown that hormone therapy reduces a trans woman's overall physical capacity to that of cisgender women. A researcher by the name of Jonna Harper has stated that after nine months of hormone replacement therapy, her running capability decreased by 12%, which coincided with that of other women in the field. A large part that contributes to aerobic capacity is the transfer of oxygen to tissues in the body, specifically muscles in this scenario. Testosterone… Read more
That it has been proven in multiple studies that neurologically transgender people work the same way as the gender that they identify with.
@9H26R66Independent5mos5MO
It is the issue of the institution and systems at play, not the individual athlete. You cannot say no to trans athletes without having some bias rooted in transphobia or sexism.
The debate should be set in the situation where we assume the transgender athlete is actively trying to transition. Often times transgender athletes have no benefit, if not have less benefits from their initial gender, if they've taken hormone blockers and then therefore started taking hormone transitioners, there is almost nothing different about the transgender individual compared to a cisgendered individual.
@9GQYL886mos6MO
Transgender athhletes take hormones which decrease muscle mass, and the entire argument is completely sexist because it always focuses on assigned male at birth athletes who transitioned to female and never even mentions the countless "genetically inferior" biological females who compete and excel in men's sports
@9FLVFTP7mos7MO
If transgender women are allowed to participate in women's sports, they would have a strength advantage. Men are typically stronger in their upper body, while women are in their lower body. This also puts women at more of a risk of injury. As a cis woman in a sport, I would find it very frustrating to have to compete with someone who was born as a male in my sport.
@9GS3JPV5mos5MO
It's been proven time and time again that HRT changes the physical limitations in trans people, so this argument is now completely cemented in bigotry.
@9GSNBWZ5mos5MO
The studies that have been done double blind all show after 2 years, there's no real advantage for AMAB people.
@9G8Z37F6mos6MO
People should be able to feel comfortable with their gender identity, and sports can play a part in how they feel.
@9F8NPVD7mos7MO
Men have more lean mass and bigger lungs. This already gives them a bigger advantage. There is no reason for then to compete as the other gender.
@9FG3DKVRepublican7mos7MO
Men are genetically stronger the man who won the women's national championship in swimming did nothing. The top 200 high school boys were faster than the woman who was the fastest.
@9GSFNWX5mos5MO
Based on statistical evidence transgender athletes still have male bone density as well as lung capacity which cannot be effect by hormones. Other things such as height and limb length can give these athletes power over biological female athletes. It’s not anything against this community to say that sports should be considered fair between all competitors
There is little evidence that people who have medically transitioned have any advantage over their cis gender peers.
@9GDZZHX6mos6MO
Transgender athletes should automatically be considered as the gender that they consider themselves. What you are at birth doesn't matter, what you know deep down does matter. So yes, transgender athletes should be allowed to compete against someone who is the same as their original gender.
@9GBJV7D 6mos6MO
Transgender athletes should compete against each other but not someone of the same gender they identity as.
@9LCV9PF 2wks2W
People don’t transition to gain an advantage - it just doesn’t happen. Let people be who they are and do what they want without undue interference.
@9L5CTWZ3wks3W
For younger children, not allowing them to play the sport that aligns with their chosen gender can lead to extreme mental deterioration and a decrease in children who play sports.
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