@9CJ6CB6Comments4mos ago

For all practical considerations, we are a democracy

A republic is a FORM of democracy, with a constitution attached to state the rights and powers of people. Unitary Executive Theory was only really interpreted to a go so far, the way it’s going to be under Trump’s administration is a MAXIMALIST interpretation. You claim to love talking about Natural Rights, and the Enumerated Powers, yet support a candidate who would try to remove 2 Enlightenment ideals in the same term: Separation of Powers, Separation of Church and State

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@Patriot-#1776Constitution from Washington commented…4mos4MO

I think the fundamental difference between you and I is that you think political power, the legal privilege of using brute force on innocent people, is totally fine if it's democratic, whereas I believe it's fine under no circumstances and ought to be absolutely minimised because it is EVIL. You support trusting majorities with political power, I am too much of a realist and have seen too much of human nature to trust such unnatural power to ANYONE UNDER THE SUN. You support maximising the authority of majorities, allowing the 51% to enslave the 49%, I support maximising the authori… Read morety of individual men and women over their own lives, because no one knows how to run their lives, liberties, and properties better than themselves. A republic is not a form of democracy, a true republic is a government that stays in its one and only lane – defence against aggressive crimes and invasions, and protecting property rights – thus maximising individual autonomy and sovereignty and minimising the ability of anyone to rule over another.

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@9CJ6CB6 from Virginia commented…4mos4MO

A LOT of assumptions are made about my opinions in this message alone, so let’s address it all shall we? For starters, I don’t support brute force, in fact, I’m mostly anti-police force in most aspects. I don’t want people’s lives oppressed, it’s about the corporations and the choice of the people. The choice isn’t by as slim of a margin as 51-49, if we are truly split on something at that level, then, depending upon circumstances, we should try and ignore that issue until the margin is higher. I believe that the benefit of the entire whole is greater… Read more than that of a tiny portion’s comfort, which is why I’d suggest a progressive fair tax system. We are also neither exclusively a democracy, nor a republic, we are BOTH.

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@Patriot-#1776Constitution from Washington commented…4mos4MO

The "assumptions" I made were not, in fact, drawn from just this comment, but endless interactions and debates we have had in the past on a wide, wide range of political issues. By brute force, I meant far more than just the police, I meant economic power as well. The government is the only human institution that can tell us to obey its will or it will drag us off in chains to prison at gunpoint. The government is the only human institution that can take our money without permission and not. be punished for it (this is known as taxation, or LEGALIZED THEFT. That's all part of… Read more the brute force equation. A progressive tax system is not fair in any sense of the word, as it punishes hard workers, who tend to be more successful, and subsidies through the Welfare State lazy crackheads and drug addicts easily bribed by the political ruling class. I never said we were, in fact, a true Republic, I was merely explaining to you what we were originally, from 1776 to 1861, when Lincoln invaded the South.

Where did you get your BS ideas about the Founders not wanting religious morality to have an influence in government? CNN? Howard Zinn? Because it's laughably false. Here's George Washington:

“[T]here is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists in the economy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness, between duty and advantage, between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity: Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained [see Proverbs 14:34]: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of

Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."

AND Patrick Henry: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

"The Bible ... is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed."

And here's John Adams:

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty...

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."

And Thomas Jefferson: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever..."

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."

Samuel Adams : "And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."

Benjamin Rush – "The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!"

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@9CJ6CB6 from Virginia commented…4mos4MO

If we are purely referring to economic power, then lessening restrictions on a companies economic maneuvering quite literally makes them just as capable, if not more, of becoming an institution worse than government. Also, the government is NOT the only institution capable of doing that, it is merely the strongest. Terrorist organizations, invading militaries, they all have that power too.

During the time of the nations founding, they were fleeing a government that was using religion to its own means, while the government itself practically worshipped the religion. Overall, religious leaders… Read more had more influence than their politicians, giving them their own influence while those politicians worked symbiotically to eject their own ideals into that religion. The two enabled one another, and religions seem like the more intent ones to stay close to the government, as shown by the many overly religious politicians allowing religious beliefs, most of which aren’t shared by others, to pilot their own government. The only way to actually keep the wall between them high, is if religious organizations are kept away from it, and if politicians do not make their decisions ENTIRELY BASED ON religious belief, rather than reason and personal conviction. Christian values might sound nice as the sole driver of our government, but it doesn’t happen or work well, that’s what was proven by the Roman Catholic Church of the last several centuries. The pure ideals would be nice, but as the very followers of religious organizations aren’t going to follow them nearly as well, it’ll slide down to much worse than before if the wall between church and state is broken.

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@Patriot-#1776Constitution from Washington commented…4mos4MO

Unbelievable – I just thoroughly debunked you and here you are claiming that, in spite of the many quotations of our founders provided, they in fact supported the opposite of what they said... Can nothing convince you? Will you not listen to any evidence contrary to your CNN-provided viewpoint? And were you aware that the phrase "separation of church and state" comes not from the Constitution, Declaration, Articles of Confederation, State Constitutions, or any legal document, but a single case in a private letter? Were you aware that the Founders supported public funding of… Read more preachers at the state & local level, that they supported banning prostitution and other infidelities? How about that they came up with the idea of every federal official swearing an oath on the BIBLE? Are you just a blockhead, or totally ignorant about what you're talking about?....

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